Not every homeless person is mentally ill. Even those that are weren’t necessarily that way before; being homeless is not great for your mental health. So giving them a place to live would be an unequivocal good for all of them where as what you’re suggesting only really helps a fraction of them.
Reopen asylums if you want, but they aren’t going to stop being homeless once they finish their treatment. Unless what you really want is just a pseudo prison to lock them all up in so you don’t have to look at them.
Mental health issues caused them to be homeless. People with severe Bipolar, borderline, or schizoeffective disorders can’t function in society without being heavily medicated, and a choice was made to not take that medication (I don’t blame them. Anitsychotics have super shitty side effects).
Sure, homelessness might make it worse, but their illness is what led to the homelessness.
The first two sources I find suggest the following
The idea that mental illness alone causes homelessness is naive and inaccurate, for two major reasons. First, the overwhelming majority of those living with mental illness are not homeless (and studies have failed to demonstrate a causal relationship between the two).
The ultimate causes of homelessness are upstream, i.e. a profound lack of affordable housing due in large part to neo-liberal government austerity policies that prevent or limit public funding for housing, gentrification that displaces working and poor families, and growing income disparities that make paying the rent beyond the means of millions of households.
What percentage of people with lifelong mental health issues are homeless? What percentage of the housed population has lifelong mental health issues? Should we lock up the ones with houses in asylums too?
No the ones you posted are as disingenuous as posting crime stats to imply that black people are inherently violent. Correlation is not causation and you can’t just look at them in a vacuum.
Without knowing what the baseline for mental health is how do you even know that 80% is statistically significant deviation from the standard population? I can tell you for certain that around 60% of people I’ve met have lifelong drug problems, homeless or not.
Have you been to a section 8 neighborhood? What you’re suggesting would be even worse
Each person needs the help they need…. Some homeless folks just need a break, for sure! I’ve been there myself. Some of them are legit crazy and homeless for a good reason, I’ve lived alongside them and you can’t just give them a home and all is well, they legit need professional help. Putting those folks up in housing alongside the folks that do legit just need a little help will taint the public perception against all of them and screw up a good attempt at solving the issue. We really need a system in place to evaluate these folks and get them the level of help they really need, but that would be socialism and that’s bad so I guess let’s all just keep suffering hahaha
You should probably get a better grasp of statistics before you try to lie with them. Black people are homeless at a rate four times higher than whites, are you going to suggest melanin causes homelessness? Hawaiians experience it at a rate three times higher than black people, what could possibly explain that other than their hawaiianness? Here’s my source, which I note you neglected to provide for your own stats.
Not every homeless person is mentally ill. Even those that are weren’t necessarily that way before; being homeless is not great for your mental health. So giving them a place to live would be an unequivocal good for all of them where as what you’re suggesting only really helps a fraction of them.
Reopen asylums if you want, but they aren’t going to stop being homeless once they finish their treatment. Unless what you really want is just a pseudo prison to lock them all up in so you don’t have to look at them.
80% of the chronically homeless have life long mental health issues, and 60% of the chronically homeless have drug addictions.
Did either cause them to become homeless or were they worsened after becoming homeless? Current evidence suggests the latter
Mental health issues caused them to be homeless. People with severe Bipolar, borderline, or schizoeffective disorders can’t function in society without being heavily medicated, and a choice was made to not take that medication (I don’t blame them. Anitsychotics have super shitty side effects).
Sure, homelessness might make it worse, but their illness is what led to the homelessness.
Source? If that was true why don’t places with higher rates of mental illness or less access to mental healthcare have higher rates of homelessness?
My source is me. I already did the research myself, but you’re more than welcome to type a few words into Google if you don’t believe me.
The first two sources I find suggest the following
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What percentage of people with lifelong mental health issues are homeless? What percentage of the housed population has lifelong mental health issues? Should we lock up the ones with houses in asylums too?
Neither of those statistics are relevant to the discussion.
Neither are the ones you posted.
No, the ones I posted show the demographics of the chronically homeless. People who aren’t homeless have nothing to do with the discussion.
No the ones you posted are as disingenuous as posting crime stats to imply that black people are inherently violent. Correlation is not causation and you can’t just look at them in a vacuum.
Without knowing what the baseline for mental health is how do you even know that 80% is statistically significant deviation from the standard population? I can tell you for certain that around 60% of people I’ve met have lifelong drug problems, homeless or not.
Have you been to a section 8 neighborhood? What you’re suggesting would be even worse
Each person needs the help they need…. Some homeless folks just need a break, for sure! I’ve been there myself. Some of them are legit crazy and homeless for a good reason, I’ve lived alongside them and you can’t just give them a home and all is well, they legit need professional help. Putting those folks up in housing alongside the folks that do legit just need a little help will taint the public perception against all of them and screw up a good attempt at solving the issue. We really need a system in place to evaluate these folks and get them the level of help they really need, but that would be socialism and that’s bad so I guess let’s all just keep suffering hahaha
What a ridiculous question
Then you should have no trouble providing me with the stats that prove how ridiculous it is.
It doesn’t matter what the general population is. We’re discussing the homeless population.
Your questions are a strawman.
You should probably get a better grasp of statistics before you try to lie with them. Black people are homeless at a rate four times higher than whites, are you going to suggest melanin causes homelessness? Hawaiians experience it at a rate three times higher than black people, what could possibly explain that other than their hawaiianness? Here’s my source, which I note you neglected to provide for your own stats.
And a near-0% of them will ever make progress on that without a home. All of that is downstream from having safe and secure housing.