Serious question: would this be historically considered Casus Belli for Israel to declare war against the UK?
Fuck Israel.
Well, the Israeli government, anyway.
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LGBTQ people being pro-palestine might be the weirdest thing I’ve seen in a public demonstration.
Does pro-“the defense of the innocent” and pro-human rights make more sense to you.
Lesbians and Gays Support the Miners also received a lot of backlash from the British LGBT community for supporting a group that was stereotyped as homophobic and intolerant. And yet:
The alliances which the campaign forged between the lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) community and British labour groups proved to be an important turning point in the progression of LGBT matters in the United Kingdom. Miners’ labour groups began to support, endorse and participate in various gay pride events throughout the UK, including leading London’s Lesbian and Gay Pride parade in 1985. At the 1985 Labour Party conference in Bournemouth, a resolution committing the party to the support of LGBT rights passed, due to block voting support from the National Union of Mineworkers. The miners’ groups were also among the most outspoken allies of the LGBT community in the 1988 campaign against Section 28.
Since many of us left Reddit without any desire to give them traffic, could you please put a warning with your link?
Tbh I feel like this is a silly request.
No worries, I’ll just skip any links you post. Thanks.
I think the fact that it starts with https://www.reddit.com is probably enough of a warning.
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Has anybody spotted signs of denouncing Hamas? All I see is “Free Palestine”. No mention of the genocidal act or the group that started this all. Makes it look like all Palestinians are in support of terrorism. I frankly lost all respect for them and their cause. It’s all “me me me” without any acknowledge of them themselves being a very large part of the problem.
Hamas is nothing in comparison to Israels crimes against the Palestinians.
Palestinians in Gaza have been mistreated for over a decade, they can only enter Israel during the day and have to come back by nightfall. Israel closed the border between Gaza and Egypt. People have been trapped in Gaza and treated like cattle for so long. They have been denied healthcare and basic needs. And the moment a few palestinians revolt against the oppression (even though killings by hamas are horrible), the world denounces palestine as a whole? Have you read about what Israel has been doing for the past decade or so? I think that in it’s core, it’s a fight for freedom. Hamas’ approach is absolutely terrifying, but palestinians can’t just stand and watch. How can you make sure your opinions reach the government when they don’t want to listen to you? That’s the entire point of religious conflicts, Israeli government hates palestinians for just existing. And you tell me that palestinians are supposed to sympathise with the killings in Israel, when Israel has done (and continues to do) atrocities on their people ten times as worse?
Was it horrible for british colonies to fight against the british empire? What would you think the narrative would be if Britain had a colony right now which was trying to revolt? What about everything that the US has done to destroy economies in the middle east, just to line the pockets of the rich? How is this not obvious?
I think that in it’s core, it’s a fight for freedom.
You must have drunken too much of the Hamas Cool-Aid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter#Analysis
The original, 1988 version of the charter emphasize four main themes: [18]
- Destroying Israel and establishing an Islamic theocracy in Palestine is essential;[18]
- Unrestrained jihad is necessary to achieve this;[18]
- Negotiated resolutions of Jewish and Palestinian claims to the land are unacceptable;[18]
- Historical anti-semitic tropes that reinforce the goals.[18]
The Covenant proclaims that Israel will exist until Islam obliterates it, and jihad against Jews is required until Judgement Day. Compromise over the land is forbidden. The documents promote holy war as divinely ordained, reject political solutions, and call for instilling these views in children.[18]
Almost all freedom movements have extremists. The existence of extremists doesn’t justify oppressing innocent civilians. Focusing on Hamas is important, sure. But what’s a LOT more important is how Israel is (and has been) treating Palestinians. A complete disregard and lack of accountability for Israel’s actions while simultaneously asking the oppressed to condemn Hamas sounds a bit too insane to me.
There’s a reason why pro-palestine protestors do not talk about Hamas: they don’t support Hamas. But talking about Hamas takes the attention away from the crap that Israel has been putting Gaza through for more than a decade. Sure, both need to be heard. But right now, what’s not being done (and in fact, actively ignored) is talking about Israel’s actions: making it seem like a response to Hamas’ recent attacks even though it’s been happening for so long.
Hamas is not a random group of extremist, Hamas is the government that Gazans voted into power back in 2006.
And as always: If you have a better way to handle this, let us know. Everybody keeps complaining about Israel, ignores all the war crimes Hamas committed and provides no alternatives. Time machines don’t exists, so any “but Israel in the past blabla…” is rather useless.
Nobody is dying while protesting in LONDON.
What is the point of these protests?
Mostly to vent out anti-Semitic frustration in a way that is politically viable
Well if that isn’t the most outlandish illogical leap I’ve seen in a while…
In London, some of the protesters chanted, “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”, despite a controversy around the slogan’s meaning.
From the article.
Nothing antisemitic about that. Wouldn’t matter what race, religion, ethnicity the apartheid occupiers were.
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Nah love you bro
You cannot blame the normal civilians for these particular actions. I don’t even think, some of them were even born yet.
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I don’t think there are many people that are seriously pro hamas, just benign or neutral, in respect to the fact that one side which has a large collection of groups working together, the Israeli defense force and US government etc, etc yet has kind of made some blunders and has not played their cards very well.
Even for the USA, after 9-11 and Iraq, when they moved ahead with invading Afghanistan, there was still an attempt to spend some time with negotiation and “state building” despite being seen across the world as barbarian invaders. See, the gift of being ignorant but having a lot of guns is that you don’t have as much weight on your shoulders if you screw up, the biggest project could be a highway, but for Israel, they’ve had a lot of international support and has had more than 50 yrs to resolve the Palestine question, I think it’s quite fair to say by now that they’re kind of bulldozing just to act like they have easy answers because they have an urban growth problem now more than an actual terrorism problem.
Ironically the fact that they now have a terrorism problem is more a symptom of government incompetence than terrorists actually actively seeking to destroy the state of Israel
To be blunt, even a Zionist here would understand that it’s not about being for or against the state of Israel having a right to exist, it’s about the issue of the IDF failing to resolve real issues with terrorists while essentially turning a blind eye to repeated problematic behaviours.
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Warmongers unintentionally keep each other employed, what a suprise, truly a potential future case of systems producing human displacement as a means of sustaining other systems
LOL that any brit has the guts to be out there protesting when literally they are one of the founding pillars of the conflict
Wait, are you saying that people should never protest against something their country is doing/was involved in?
Yes.
Well that’s dumb. How’s a country going to correct its behaviour if it’s citizens can’t voice they want to change?
South Africa, for example, would still be an apartheid state.
Yes.
Wait, you’re pro-apartheid?
What? You totally inverted the comment with which I was agreeing.
Care to elaborate?
Livus is referencing the Balfour Agreement .
