• 𝚐𝚕𝚘𝚠𝚒𝚎
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    405 months ago

    I mean, not exactly. His new EO doesn’t strike down Caitlyn’s name. But I get their point. Just wish it was factually correct.

  • JokeDeity
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    325 months ago

    Jenner is not part of regular society and will never have to deal with the real shit normal people do, regardless of the law. I mean she literally killed someone.

    • Ech
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      495 months ago

      Deadnaming people isn’t suddenly ok just because you don’t like them, even if they are objectively a huge piece of shit.

      • @JPAKx4@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        265 months ago

        You’re only aloud to deadname companies, gulfs, etc. never a person. Caitlyn is a piece of shit but not bc she’s trans.

        • @Stovetop@lemmy.world
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          It’s not about the individual, but the principle. Deadnaming or delegitimizing someone, even under the excuse that they are terrible, opens the door to deadname/delegitimize others for whatever other reason someone sees as valid.

          Caitlyn Jenner should be in prison. But it should still be a women’s prison.

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          It’s not about Caitlyn, it’s about every other trans person. If you decide one person has lost the “right” to not be deadnamed, you are inherently supporting the deadnaming of others by those that have decided they haven’t “earned” it. You are participating from a position that sees a person’s chosen identity as something that can and should be taken away. If you have any love for trans people at large, don’t treat their identity like a tool that can be used to manipulate or hurt them.

          • @Sanctus@lemmy.world
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            Fuck that even the nuance. If you have love for humanity at large you won’t do this. Anyone can have their identity taken away. These fuckers think they are safe because they are cis? Hey, 249609, get back in your fucken crate. Chosen Identity is for everyone, trans rights are human rights.

            This take won’t break through but its the absolute truth and why minorities and marginalized people are important for humanity and empathy. Its crazy people dont see this to me.

            • Ech
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              85 months ago

              I’m not arguing tolerance of intolerance. I’m pointing out how using someone’s trans-ness against them hurts all trans people, not just that person. There are other ways to rebuke or speak out against intolerance.

      • @TachyonTele@lemm.ee
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        -55 months ago

        Because calling them a huge piece of shit isn’t another way of calling them a name they don’t use

  • @SquishyPandaDev@yiffit.net
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    Dead naming and miss gendering him is 100% okay. He is not going to give a shit when other trans people are marched to the concentration camps. Fuck traitors

    • @TheFriar@lemm.ee
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      585 months ago

      Think about it another way.

      “It’s alright to call him the N-word because he doesn’t care about the right wing using it as a weapon.”

      It’s not okay. It’s immoral. There are other morally gray methods, as we’ve seen in recent months, that are tools to use against oppressors and the capitalist class. Food for thought.

    • @pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      Being referred to as the gender you are isn’t a privilege for good behavior. She’s a fucking despicable piece of shit, but your attitude about misgendering is pretty gross to me.

  • DUMBASS
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    -75 months ago

    Bruce Jenner is the only trans person who you can dead name and no one will say anything, that’s how horrible of a human being they are, not even the trans community will jump to their defence.

    No one cares that you once won gold and was married to that Kardashian, you’re a horrible bigot who deserves mockery, not for who you identify as, no that’s never a good reason, it’s for who you are as a human being and the actions you make on a daily basis.