Remember when politicians said everyone should get covid to develop heard-immunity? And then we had more than one million deaths since then?

  • @CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de
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    1172 months ago

    What if there was a way for everyone’s body to know about measles, without actually getting measles.

    That would be pretty cool huh?

    • @null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      522 months ago

      Yeah but you’d have to kind of train everyone’s immune system by somehow introducing it to the virus without the person actually getting infected.

      Seems impossible.

      • Brokkr
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        212 months ago

        What if we did something to the virus so that it couldn’t make us sick, but still made our bodies thing we were sick?

    • Meldroc
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      12 months ago

      I know, right? Wouldn’t it be nice to get just a shot at the doctor’s office like I did, and not have to worry about catching a deadly disease?

  • @baldingpudenda@lemmy.world
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    872 months ago

    Also measles resets your immune system. Your immune system keeps records of all the crap it’s fought, making it easier to fight next time. When you get measles, it’s like you’re a new born. So he’s not only allowing ppl to die, he’s making it easier for future illnesses to kill as well.

    article on measles

    Two studies of unvaccinated children in an Orthodox Protestant community in the Netherlands found that measles wipes out the immune system’s memory of previous illnesses, returning it to a more baby-like state, and also leaves the body less equipped to fight off new infections.

    The first paper, led by Velislava Petrova, of the Wellcome Sanger Institute and Cambridge University, says measles erodes two separate lines of defence of the immune system.

    To tackle previously unseen infections, the immune system relies on constantly pumping out a diverse range of immune cells – thousands of different varieties, each with slightly different receptors on their surfaces, with a collective ability to recognise almost any pathogen.

    “The more diverse range of them we have, the better,” said Petrova. However, after measles, the children had a far more restricted range.

    The immune system also creates long-lived memory cells, which remain permanently in circulation, allowing the body to rapidly recognise and eliminate previously encountered infections.

    However, after measles, a substantial proportion of immune memory cells had disappeared from the children’s blood, in what the scientists described as “immune amnesia”. This could even mean that children who become infected with measles may need to be revaccinated for previous diseases.

      • @peoplebeproblems@midwest.social
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        122 months ago

        No.

        The problem isn’t people who have been vaccinated against measles, the problem is people who haven’t, can’t, or are otherwise immunocompromised.

        Those people would have all of their immunities reset. People who don’t get measels because they have the vaccination will be unaffected.

        Plus the current COVID variant is quite unlike the one in 2021, and we’ll all need to get vaccinated against the next surviving variant anyway. Coronaviruses suck in that way.

        • queermunist she/her
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          62 months ago

          I… didn’t say the problem was people vaccinated against measles? I’m saying unvaccinated people will have their COVID immunity reset, regardless of natural immunity from previous infections. Basically the pandemic starts over for unvaccinated people.

          • @peoplebeproblems@midwest.social
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            42 months ago

            Let me rephrase it. Since COVID is endemic, their immunities being reset won’t matter much, and that’s why we still need to get an annual vaccine.

            The plus side to that is that when a virus becomes endemic its usually less severe (which it has been). This is an evolutionary thing, as the virus that propagates more if it’s not killing its hosts.

            • @GoodEye8@lemm.ee
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              2 months ago

              I think to answer his question precisely (if I’m understanding your correctly) is that yes, it would wipe out the COVID immunity for the COVID variant that you used to be immune to. But it doesn’t matter because COVID keeps mutating into new variants and the immunity to the older variant won’t help you.

            • queermunist she/her
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              22 months ago

              My understanding is that COVID hasn’t simply become less severe, we’ve become more immune due to exposure. Our immune systems have adjusted to COVID after basically everyone has been infected or vaccinated.

  • @Buffalox@lemmy.world
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    532 months ago

    Is it really still news that USA has gone crazy?

    Sorry I asked the same on another story that was also crazy, but this one is even crazier! 🤡

    • @littlebrother@lemm.ee
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      It’s not crazy.

      I wish people would see that, this is years of bad policy coming to light.

      This isnt maliciousness or apathy. This is stupidity, while the south and midwest excel and continue this. The Republicans and those in power continue to dismantle education.

      Why. Because stupidity is a force greater than evil. You can’t argue with it, you can’t change it, you can’t reason with stupidity.

      A democracy is only as good as it’s continued excellence in education, learn from this Europe and be better.

      • @Buffalox@lemmy.world
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        The stupidity was always ingrained in American racial politics combined with extreme Christianity.
        Leading to falsification of historic events, and denial of science especially evolution. Resulting in awful moral standards based on 2000 year old principles.
        In that regard USA is more like Iran than Europe. Except Iran doesn’t have the white supremacist problem. So USA may actually be worse.
        How can you trust anything, when you can’t trust your teachers and basic education?
        Americans are stupid because the majority wants to keep it that way.

  • Ghostalmedia
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    402 months ago

    MAGAs: “Everyone should get covid”

    Doctors in Huston setting up overflow field hospitals in parking lots: “For the love of fuck. Please stop.”

  • GingaNinga
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    342 months ago

    Its terrifying that the health secretary has no idea how serious measles is. Fatalities are pretty high, its not at all like the common cold.

  • @RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    What a fucking moron.

    If there were only a way to introduce everyone to the virus with no risk of suffering the symptoms of the disease. Wouldn’t that be amazing?

    • JackFrostNCola
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      202 months ago

      If only we could give everyone the illness, but like without all the death or lifelong damage it causes…

  • @Brotha_Jaufrey@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    Let’s end drunk driving by making it legal and actually forcing everyone to drunk drive. Nobody left to drunk drive if everyone’s dead

  • @Airowird@lemm.ee
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    192 months ago

    He should lead by example.

    Maybe the entire Trump closet cabinet should have a measle party to show how it’s done!

  • shameless
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    192 months ago

    Wow so the solution is to do nothing, seems oddly convenient for a certain group of people