• @YoiksAndAway@lemmy.zip
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    481 month ago

    Admittedly, I don’t know much about modern speedboats, but the full flip probably saved their lives. In the old days, flipping onto your head at damn near 200 mph was certain death.

    • @xploit@lemmy.world
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      Yea that flip and rotation definitely saved them, you can see in the video they slow down drastically in the air while the top of the boat was pointing mostly forward, although they likely also experienced some drastic gforce changes as it happened.

        • @sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          91 month ago

          And that is what I would describe as the only kind of miracle I believe can actually happen.

          Roughly on par with ‘bailed out of an airplane, crashed through some trees, landed in a snowbank, only suffered a few fractures and actually lived.’

          Something like that happened a few times in WW2.

            • @sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              He described the relief of seeing both people on board the boat pop open the hatch. “Oh my gosh, it’s just a miracle,” Ticknor said.

              Ticknor being the event organizer.

              https://youtube.com/watch?v=sSl2846EPl4

              The pilots suffered multiple fractures, including a broken knee.

              I’d call a broken knee alone a serious injury…

              Had their injuries been more serious, they may have been unable to escape the sinking boat.

              Had the boat landed in a different orientation, or done a different, completely undpredictable, uncontrolled aerial manuever, such that it impacted the water with more speed, the boat could have broken apart on landing or become structurally comprised much more seriously, and thus the pilots would be sinking much more rapidly, likely with more serious injuries.

              Though this boat and its safety cage performed admirably in terms of structural stability… similar crashes to this have maimed and killed a good number of folks in the history of hydroplane/powerboat events.

      • lime!
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        121 month ago

        “kph” is an americanization. the unit is km/h. i’m assuming the commenter did not know this since the first abbreviation is not used it most languages.

        • @CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee
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          630 days ago

          Fair enough. I Googled it just to double-check before posting, but Google isn’t going to tell you whether terminology is regionally correct or not.

      • @Sconrad122@lemmy.world
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        51 month ago

        Maybe this is an SI purist and want to see meters per second or nothing? That would be silly because KPH is well used across the metric world, of course

        • @neons@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          330 days ago

          yeah, but the US is one of the only country in the world that writes it as kph. most countries write it as km/h. Which can be confusing.

  • ElcaineVolta
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    111 month ago

    k, it’s time to wind down the whole we’re-just-burning-fossil-fuels-for-fun stuff now.

    • @CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee
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      111 month ago

      A lot of these racing applications are what drive innovations in power and efficiency in the rest of the automotive field since they’re constantly improving engines to squeeze as much power out of them as they can. Banning this stuff will have little to no impact on pollution and just needlessly piss a bunch of people off, driving allies away from the cause.

      It’s like the whole plastic straw ban that achieved nothing and made a bunch of people look like fools. Meanwhile, giant corporations are packaging items in single-use plastic packaging and using 10,000x as much plastic with nary a peep from those politicians’ grandstanding over straws. Furthermore, every paper straw I’ve ever gotten has been wrapped in a plastic bag.

      • @CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee
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        01 month ago

        What do you do if you run out of electricity while out on the water? At least with an EV you can get out and walk but that’s a different story on a boat.

        • @Halcyon@discuss.tchncs.de
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          330 days ago

          Same what you do when your boat runs out of gasoline? Doesn’t matter what powers your engine if you don’t watch your tank or battery level you will have a problem.

          Apart from that: This is about racing boats. They’re never alone somewhere on the open sea.

    • @grue@lemmy.world
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      61 month ago

      Check out SailGP. It’s got some flaws, but they did actually manage to design a sailboat race that goes fast enough to actually be interesting to watch in real-time.

      flaws
      • I have my doubts that it’s as eco-friendly as they claim, since they still use fossil fuels for support boats, shipping the sailboats across the world between events, etc.
      • It’s pretty new and seems a little underfunded, so the production values and commentating can be a bit rough around the edges.
      • They try to make it accessible (e.g. by reporting speeds in kph instead of knots), but it’s still got a whiff of yacht-club elitism to it.
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      01 month ago

      That time was like 30 years ago. Now we can either stop using them altogether and have a bad time, or we can keep using them and have a slightly more bad time.

  • IninewCrow
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    11 month ago

    I guess these guys have never heard of ground effect or air compressing at high speed.

    I’m guessing none of them want to admit to these effects if you want to keep a propeller in the water the whole time.

    • Undearius
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      141 month ago

      Those effects are key to the design of these boats. They’re essentially a wing.

      Water has a lot more drag than air, so the more the boat is out of the water, the faster it can go.

      • @Buddahriffic@lemmy.world
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        31 month ago

        Though it makes me wonder why they don’t use actual wings to maintain control over the boat when it goes too far out of the water. Why isn’t the ideal basically a plane that has a propeller sticking down into the water?

  • @tal@lemmy.today
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    In all seriousness, I think that there might be a good argument, in 2025, for converting races, be they car or boat or whatnot, to be remotely-driven.

    We’ve got the technology today.

    It’d permit for higher speeds and suchlike, and eliminate some requirements.

    The audience doesn’t get the drama of the driver maybe being killed in an accident, but by-and-large, blood sport has faded into history.

    There are clearly some people who watch racing for the crashes — but it’s possible to have the crashes and have vehicles potentially destroyed without the drivers being killed too.

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        Well, I suppose it depends on what people are out for. Like I said, if it’s death that they’re interested in, then, yeah, it would. But if they’re okay with the crashes without the death, then I’d think that it’d be okay.

          • CaptainBasculin
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            71 month ago

            Not gonna lie, a pure engineering contest without the restrictions feel like a very cool idea. See what the true limits car engineers can achieve in a race if they didn’t even need to consider driver safety. There exists a lot of restrictions on racing leagues for driver safety, as it should. But without drivers, you can pretty much throw all of it away.

            • @CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee
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              21 month ago

              These types of events exist already. There’s stuff like the DARPA races, “battle bots,” VEX and LEGO robotic, RC car races, drone races, etc.

              Regarding your point about removing limitations without a driver, currently anything that would harm a driver in a race is going to destroy the car too, so I can’t imagine what would really change in this regard.

              • @turmacar@lemmy.world
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                There a lot of numbers higher than the 9Gs that are safe-ish and reasonable-ish for human drivers/pilots to experience regularly. A big bag of water with bones inside that likes to breathe doesn’t take well to high levels of acceleration, eg. really fast turns.

                • @CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee
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                  130 days ago

                  Outside of planes, I don’t know that any land or water based vehicle could pull 9Gs as you’re limited by the traction of the tires and whatever physics effect boats on the water.

            • ms.lane
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              11 month ago

              But without drivers, you can pretty much throw all of it away.

              I’m not sure you could - since spectator safety is considered more important than driver safety. (both are important)

              So unless it’s out in the middle of nowhere, with no spectators, no camerapeople, any pit crew would need to be in bunkers - just drones within a few kilometers of the track - it couldn’t happen either and such and event would probably be less exciting than watching someone else play the F1 PC/Console game…

          • @otp@sh.itjust.works
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            51 month ago

            If robots were racing, people would be rooting for the remote pilot, or the team that built it, or the designers of the engine, etc…

            Does no one remember Robot Wars or any spinoffs thereof?

            • @postmateDumbass@lemmy.world
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              61 month ago

              Did they get NASCAR ratings?

              And those battles were a quite a bit more action than oval track racing.

              Maybe you would get figure 8 courses or mario kart tracks, but i do not believe that will keep viewers interested long term.

              • @otp@sh.itjust.works
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                01 month ago

                I dunno, maybe that’s true. People like watching humans be in danger, that’s true.

                Monster Truck shows probably don’t need humans though. We like watching stuff get crushed by big things even if humans aren’t involved!

        • @CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee
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          01 month ago

          These drivers understand the danger they’re getting into when entering these races.

          Why do you want to take their bodily autonomy away from them by preventing them from doing something that they love? I’d much rather take a wall at 200MPH in a race car than go out from a heart attack while taking my morning shit or getting T-boned on my commute to the office.

    • @JasonDJ@lemmy.zip
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      91 month ago

      Hahahah no. Humans haven’t changed. We still love to gawk at death and pain. We just don’t want to admit it directly.

      Rubber-neckers slowing down the highway for a crash on the other side aren’t doing it to make sure they are safe. They are hoping to spot some gore.

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        Unless you like TOOL.

        “I want to watch things die from a good safe distance. Vicariously, I live while the whole world dies.”

    • @Goretantath@lemm.ee
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      41 month ago

      If theres no risk of complete assholes burning up or crumpling into a pancake during a car race then the race sucks ass.