Oh I think I know how this will end.
I get gun enthusiasm. Like, as a hobby. Those folks that hang out at the range are as nerdy as the folks that hang out at the model airplane club. This isn’t for them. This is for the baddies. It’s strange considering that Trump had a close attempt on his life involving a gun with iron sights. You would think he would want to be the last person involved in approving more effective people killers.
I’m sure kids that are still in high school, specifically, are overjoyed at the news.
that means YOU can buy one too.
All the other kids with their pumped up kicks
Sandy Hook 2 Electric Boogaloo. I can feel nothing but sorrow for the children of america’s education system. Forget not Columbine, Sandy Hook, Uvalde, Virginia Tech, Parkland, Texas Tower, Red Lake, or Santa Fe.
Wasn’t the bump stock banned by Trump after the Vegas shooting? Then unbanned under Biden?
Supreme Court unbanned it 6-3. Not really Biden’s call.
I said unbanned under Biden. I didn’t say he actually did it.
Sure, but “under” implies he had authority over the decision.
It shouldn’t. That’s not how it works.
I am aware. I wasn’t sure how to word it.
“Then unbanned by the Supreme Court during Biden” would do just fine
Sure. But this isn’t a bump stock. It’s a forced reset trigger that was just unbanned… Which is insane. It essentially converts semi automatic weapons to automatic weapons.
But it doesn’t.
An automatic firearm shoots multiple bullets each time you pull the trigger, until you release the trigger; the trigger does not reset.
With most semi-automatic guns, you have a light spring that resets the trigger once you release your finger. A forced reset trigger (FRT) forces the trigger to reset. The FRT pushes the trigger forward, even if you’re trying to keep the trigger pulled back. If you keep tension on your finger, as soon as it’s reset, you’re pulling it again. So, legally, you are pulling the trigger multiple times, because the trigger is resetting each time a bullet is fired.
Based on the way that a machine gun is defined in the National Firearms Act of 1934, an FRT is not a machine gun. The ATF can’t re-write the law to say what they want it to say; that requires an act on congress.
The is compounded by the fact that Rare Breed ran the idea by the ATF before they went into production, and they have/had a memorandum from the ATF saying that an FRT was not a machine gun, and not subject to the NFA. After they had approved it, and *after Rare Breed had produced and sold a few hundred/thousand, the ATF raided Rare Breed, and also showed up at customer’s homes demanding items that the customers had legally purchased (e.g., unreasonable search and seizure, a 4A violation).
Machine guns have been illegal in the United States since 1986, a notion that even gun rights groups have come to accept.
This is… Not true. The Firearm Owners Protection Act–among other things–made it illegal to transfer automatic firearms manufactured after '86 (i.e., “post ban”) to non-police/military people. Machine guns produced prior to '86 that were already in the hands of non-police/military people can still legally be own and bought/sold. A pre-ban select-fire AR-15 will run about $30k+ these days.
Secondly, there are a number of groups and people still actively fighting to overturn the NFA as being a violation of 1A. There was a case out of the 5th circuit (?) not that long ago that points out the circular logic of the gov’t in re: machine guns. E.g., per Heller, guns in common use can’t be banned, and machine guns aren’t in common use, so they can be banned. But they aren’t in common use because they were largely banned by the gov’t. The gov’t created the condition of them not being in common use by banning them, and then used the lack of common use–due to the ban–as justification for the legality of the ban.
Yes. Trump is not actually friendly to gun rights.
If he was, he’d be pushing to get the Hearing Protection Act (HR 404) and the Stop Harassing Owners of Rifles Today (HR 2395) out of committee and to the floor for a vote.
Biden wasn’t friendly to gun rights either. I don’t think most politicians are friendly to gun rights, since if they actually managed to expand them to what they should be, they wouldn’t have any major issue remaining to campaign on.
In other countries they sell modified versions of these handguns that cannot be made into machine guns with a switch. This is the real solution, but for some reason gun manufacturers can do no wrong in the US and are not held to higher safety standards.
In Belgium, of all places, you can buy fully auto weapons from shops with just a collectors license.
Do you have evidence to support that? Because AFAIK, the Glocks made both in the US and Austria have exactly the same design. OTOH, in most of Europe, it’s very difficult to get the appropriate license for a handgun, so it’s largely irrelevant.
Glocks sold in Europe are designed not to work with switches. This is common knowledge.
“Glock is profiting by continuing to sell the adaptable version in U.S. markets, even as they make and sell handguns in Europe that cannot accommodate such a switch.”
Do you have evidence to support your claims or should I just block you now?
Edit: A quick look through you comments shows you are definitely a gun nut. Hard pass on discussing anything with your denialist guns r gud mentality.
Hard pass on discussing anything with your denialist guns r gud mentality
Yeah, isn’t is strange that someone doesn’t want the state to have the monopoly on violence, and believes in civil rights? Weird, right?
From your article:
“Platkin said Glock is profiting by continuing to sell the adaptable version in U.S. markets, even as they make and sell handguns in Europe that cannot accommodate such a switch.”
This is something I've having a really hard time finding a source on. Everything I can find says that that about half of the Glock pistols that are sold in the US are made in Austria. And, as I said, sales in Europe for pistols are very tightly controlled, meaning that very few pistols--relatively speaking--are getting into the hands of anyone other than cops and military, so I'm not sure that there's a strong motive for them to make the design alteration in the EU. Aside from the assertion from New Jersey's AG, I just can't find a source for that. I'm not saying that it doesn't exist, and, if the AG is correct, then yes, Glock should change their design in the US. There's already precedent for this; open bolt semi-automatic firearms manufactured after 1986 are banned because they can--in general--be readily converted to full auto. However, given how many Glocks currently exist in the US, that would be an enormous legal mess that could possibly result in the National Firearms Act being declared unconstitutional.“Also known as “auto switches,” the devices, which are already illegal in New Jersey and some other states, […]”
They’re illegal in EVERY state; it covered under federal law, specifically the National Firearms Act (1934) and Firearm Owners Protection Act (1986). Even if it was legal in New Jersey, it would still be a felony to possess or use one.
Good luck kids going to school in the United States
Because why not?!
This will help his pardoned militia in 3 years
“We were going to win this,” said the former senior ATF official. “These things are not like bump stocks."
Forced reset devices are actually exactly like bump stocks in that they’re legal because they force a distinct action of the trigger for every round fired. The legal definition of a machine gun is a firearm that fires more than one round per single action of the trigger. They haven’t bothered to amend or expand that definition, so these types of devices keep skirting by on a technicality.
I suppose the argument could be made that forced reset devices work in a very similar way to a machine gun’s auto sear, the difference being that they act on the trigger of the gun rather than the hammer, but it still doesn’t meet the government’s own definition of a machine gun.
The ATF is a s terrifying joke.
Nice I’ve been wanting a FRT. machine guns aren’t very good for mass shootings. All your ammo is gone instantly and you’re way less accurate. It’s good for suppressing fire, and fun in the backyard. This is not going to lead to more gun deaths.
I like how you are acting like most of us haven’t played an FPS. The biggest difference is that there is no balance nerf between the damage an automatic bullet does and a semiautomatic bullet does. It’s certainly leading to more gun deaths in Mexico, where a lot of these weapons are getting exported down to, although it is refreshing to act like school shootings still aren’t a thing.
I fully expect for police to have to fear being “suppressive fired” soon enough, there are enough militant groups within the US that will enjoy the news, specially given the number of their members that were pardoned for Jan 6th.
Games are not equal to real life. 99 percent of people would have no idea how to control a machine gun.
It’s enough to learn when you are being gaslighted about machine gun ammo consumption. Yes, it eats ammo faster, but it is also more dangerous. Furthermore, being fully automatic doesn’t mean you spam it until it consumes the whole cartridge, it means you have more control how many bullets you can track with each trigger engagement. It’s why burst mode exists, but better. People do have an idea in how to control ammo consumption, it is a core game mechanic with most games with guns.
True enough, but it’s not very hard to learn.
How many people actually go out to a range every single week and burn through a couple hundred rounds working on training drills though? I did shooting at distance today (100-550y with .223) and burned through about 140 rounds, and most ranges don’t even have that kind of distance available. (Thank fuck the RSO had a spotting scope; I couldn’t see my splash in the grass to see where my rounds were going when I didn’t hit. He was able to see trace with his scope though.)
Not a lot, I imagine! Still a pretty low hurdle to clear. All you really need is ammunition and a place to shoot it. It sure helps to have a spotter/RSO/somebody who knows what they’re doing, but you can muddle through all right given enough trigger time.
What if I’ve watched Rambo? Does that work?
Let us not forget… an FRT doesn’t even constitute a “machine gun” by their own definition!
Does this mean we can get one now in California? Or is this still not settled?
I’d like to know too in Washington state, I’m considering have an out of state relative buy one for me in the mean time
Remember gang, if your ID has an l, g, b, t, or q on it you qualify as desperately in need of guns.
Every driver’s Licence with daTe of Birth and orGan donor has LGBT on it.
I just wish I had a gay gun owning friend who could go to the gun store with me. I know what I want, I just like hand holding.
No need, seriously don’t buy at a gun store. Buy online and ship it to your big box store FFL, and then go pick up there.
Hmmm
Internet credit card purchase,
Or
Backwoods shack cash purchase.
Hmmm.
Shit, you can buy guns at gas stations in my neck of the woods.
I buy most of mine used locally via our state gun forum. Most states have one, just go on there look around, meet up, pay cash, show CCW and done.
I’ve yet to purchase a firearm that was “used up”. Most I buy people put a few hundred rounds through them at best.
That’s an awesome resource you just whipped out
In my area. Thanks!
If you’re in the Kansas area, hit me up, I’ll go in drag if you ask nice lol
Well, crap, I’m not gay, but I’ll hold your hand. :) What do want? That’s the interesting thing about guns, there is such a VARIETY for different purposes. Self defense, home defense, small/medium/big game hunting are all completely different.
If I’m going to raise my Kinsey scale a point or two for just a moment, there’s also the aesthetic to consider. I’m not ashamed to admit I’ve bought a gun that made me go “Ooooohhh”.
For example, when my dad died one of the guns I inherited was this:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Standard_Derringer
And I’m like “Ok, that’s adorable, but in .22 it’s useless.” Also known to be problematic. Sometimes only one barrel would fire.
But I liked the idea so I bought one of these:
https://www.bondarms.com/bond-arms-handguns/ranger-ii/
.45LC/.410 shotgun shells
You are practically down the street from me.
Well, come on over, we’ll hang out! :) If you’re looking for a safe gun shop I can reccomend two:
East side:
West side:
OK, that’s adorable but in .22 it’s useless
I’ll tell you what the guy that taught me used to say, " 22 or 50, no one laughs at being held at gunpoint. "
Stopping power is, for the most part a myth. I love 22 because if cheap, it’s light, and the guns feel nicer in my hand. My bud uses 9mm glocks because he describes them as the “iPhone of guns” you do you boo, just make sure your Deringer has a trigger guard, that’s just good safety.
Not only is 22lr weak compared to most other rounds, the fact that it is rimfire makes it less reliable. If you want a similar power to 22lr in a defense caliber, go with .25acp.
All true, but a .22 carbine rifle is way different from a 2 shot .22 Derringer with effectively no barrel and no sites with a bonus defect which may cause one of the two shots to misfire.
For .22? Give me this:
https://www.henryusa.com/rifles/golden-boy/
Of course, I already have the big brother in .44 Magnum. :)
This is so real! I literally bought a knockoff ksg for $150 drink one night cause I was like “oooooo space scattergat!” I have shot it twice in two years, cause it weighs like 3 pounds and I can’t tell the difference between a cheap bird shot shell or a 3 inch magnum slug.
Nothing wrong with the KSG, but for me? I dig the old school Mossberg Shockwave w/ wood furniture. ;)
I know that polymer is lighter and cheaper, but wood on guns always looks so nice.
Does this guy feed those aguila shorty shells? And that is beautiful!
You have to insert a rubber adapter to make them fit, but it does!
https://opsolmini-clip.com/product/opsol-mini-clip-2-0-flex/
Bonus:
https://opsolmini-clip.com/product/hater-tots-velcro-patches/
My plate carrier just got new flair! Slightly less colorful than current ones, but welcome none the less.
I really like the idea of a 410 handgun, but I live in NY.
.410 handguns are tricky in a lot of states because they’re smoothbore, so they get classified as a short barreled shotgun and are considered illegal, the Bond Arms one above included.
Totally legal here, cross over into California? Yeah, not so much!
I inherited a NAA-22lr. It literally fits in the palm of my hand.
They make a purple one now, which is cute: https://www.northamericanarms.com/shop/naa-22lr-orchid/
Even a .22 can kill someone.
Better to hit with .22 than miss with a .357. The US Special Forces have been using .22 LR Ruger pistols, with silencers, since the Vietnam War.
That’s really cool, but I have to admit I can’t immediately figure out how that trigger works…
The gay gun, like a ray gun. I think they sell it at sharper image
There are plenty of untrained idiots that will end shooting up a ceiling or the sky.
at least they haven’t resticted sales to registered republicans…
The history on this is interesting
Trump banned bump stocks as a reaction to the Vegas massacre.
Then the supreme court ruled that unconstitutional.
https://www.npr.org/2024/06/14/g-s1-2929/supreme-court-bump-stocks
Now the trump admin is going to permit more things like the bump stock to be sold legally. Specifically, something that makes a semi automatic gun fire much more rapidly.
Would be a very Trumpian thing if he lost the civil uprising because of this decision.
This really wouldn’t make a difference. It isn’t hard to bend a coat hanger or drill a third hole.
Also, FRTs and bump stocks are really just range toys.
