Justin Mohn, a 32-year-old Pennsylvania man, is in police custody after allegedly murdering and decapitating his father, claiming the latter was a “federal employee” and a “traitor.” Before his arrest, Mohn posted a 14-minute video to YouTube in which he displayed his father’s severed head, proclaiming: "This is the head of Mike Mohn, a federal
But Antifa is the real danger, right?
my most favorite game when i find a conservative is to ask them point blank:
are you a fascist or are you an anti-fascist? you only get to pick one.
and they squiiiiiiirm
I would answer anti-fascist, but if someone asked me “Are you communist or anti-communist? Pick one” I would answer “neither”
You could pick either. There’s no problem with having communist ideologies or being for capitalism.
There is a problem with fascism, it’s not comparable to communism. A closer example would be asking someone if they are a racist or not.
We should be taking a hard line at certain ideologies and anyone that hesitate is suspect imo.
Racist or anti-racist, really. Many people can answer “I’m not racist, but…(insert racist statement)”
I’m not racist, but sourdough is the best bread for a grilled cheese.
Ah, so you just have ill will toward the French!
I’m not racist, but have you tried substituting mayonnaise instead of butter on your grilled cheese sandwiches? It levels then up nicely.
I’m not racist, but I prefer Formula1 over NASCAR.
The point is that “neither” indicates someone who does not agree with an ideology but also does not see it as a threat.
You are of course free to treat that person accordingly.
Compulsory alliance is sort of a core feature of fascism so you really must be either fascist or anti-fascist.
If fascist government is in power, it will creat a system in which non-partisan participation furthers and advances the fascist state, so one cannot “opt out”. Since a fascist system won’t entertain neutral, the question “Are you fascist or anti-fascist? You can only pick one.” Is not inherently disingenuous.
Communism does not force people into supporting it, there “neither” is an acceptable answer to “Are you communist or anti-communist” in a way that cannot be applied to fascism.
Well, Communism doesn’t force participation as long as you don’t ask the tankiis, but fuck the tankies.
If you live in a Communist state you won’t exactly have any way to “opt out” of it any more than you can just “opt out” of paying taxes.
That’s true for a culturally conservative Russian state that claims to be “communist” the way North Korea claims to be “democratic”.
The USSR sucked ass because it was made of the same kind of Russians that we’re still fighting against today. The label they wear as a disguise, communist, capitalist, kleptocracy, or whatever “the commies” are calling themselves these days is irrelevant.
Like I said, Fuck the tankies.
Leftist political theory can get very complex, and when people say communism they can mean a lot of things.
Technically, Communism as per Karl Marx in the Communist Manifesto, Communism isn’t a government. Communism is a state of anarchy in which people naturally share resources and the means of production communally and provide ownership does not exist as a cultural concept. So going by the original definitions “Communist Government” is an oxymoron. Explaining what the hell happened in Russia is a whole conversation.
When people talk about communism or communist elements in a government, they are probably talking about some form of socialism.
A great point well made.
non-partisan participation furthers and advances the fascist state, so one cannot “opt out”
The same is true of the UK monarchy, yet plenty of Brits are neither for nor against it.
I’m not familiar with the British Monarchy so I can’t really comment on how appropriate your framing is.
What I can point out is that your statement is logically inconsistent on its face.
One can’t be neutral towards a fascist state because the fascist state won’t allow one neutral. In such a condition, anyone who claims to be neither for fascism or actively anti-fascism is pro-fascism because the condition of fascist power will direct all the labour and efforts of participants to the support of the fascist state. In such a condition, pro-fascist is the default condition, and anti-fascism can only be achieved through conscious effort and educated and effective praxis. There is no neutrality. One is not neutral in the face of fascism simply because one declares to be so.
So, if the same conditions essential to fascism are true of the British Monarchy, then the nature of the political situation is stopping Brits from being neither for or against Monarchy. If your assumption that fascism is like the British Monarchy is true, then one could only be pro-monarchy, or achieve anti-monarchy through conscious and intentional effort.
In such a condition, anyone who claims to be neither for fascism or actively anti-fascism is pro-fascism
You are not making any distinction between those who would want a fascist state to endure and those who would be indifferent to replacing it with something else. But I think that distinction gets to the heart of the question.
You are also assuming that fascists and anti-fascists are only concerned about their own condition. Suppose you asked an American their opinion of Mussolini and they responded “He was terrible”. That’s clearly anti-fascist. But what if they responded “Never heard of him”? That’s neither pro or anti fascist, yet the neutral response won’t advance a fascist regime.
I say “I’m personally a communist but understand that it isn’t right for most people.” I would have been awesome at communism. I’m a minimalist in a lot of ways and was good at science and math in school. I’d have probably been working at Roscosmos and then happily going home to my little apartment for my daily ration of vodka and potato bread.
Or maybe I’d have been an Olympian. I was small but athletic growing up so had no chance of playing after high school, really, but they were given athletes zoo animal growth hormones and the good steroids back then. I might have come out of the Yaroslavl Oblast Youth Olympic Reserve School the size of Arvydas Sabonis.
I like asking to play a game of who can list more politically-motivated homicides for each ideology and conservatives strangely never want to play.
Let’s be real. No one wants to play that game.
I saw a post recently - pretty sure it was in nottheonion - of a screencap of a Fox News segment, where they were interviewing someone that the caption described as an “anti-anti-fascist”.
Though to be fair, Fox News viewers aren’t likely to put two and two together. Or, for that matter, realize that an anti-anti-fascist is just a fascist.
I got it right here, old bean.
It’s an equivocation trick. Not all anti-fascists are associated with the movement that calls itself antifa.
Are you pro-life or anti-life? You only get to pick one.
Fuck outta here with this nonsense. Stop trying to score points and try to have conversations with people.
Antifa isn’t a movement, it’s a label.
There’s no organization, no overarching political goal - it’s literally just a term for people opposing facism through word or action.
There’s organizations that use that label in their name (like antifa of XYZ), but there’s no movement to associate with - fox news made that the fuck up
Take this example “antifa blocks off campaign event”. Fox news reports it as “members of a group called antifa has…”
A more accurate description would be “a group of people describing themselves as anti facists has…”
When people take on the term, they’re not describing their alignement to a movement - they’re describing their motivation
All the conversations have already been had, this is just prelude to war
Eh that’s like asking “Are you Pro Israel or Pro Hamas, you only get to pick one”
It’s really not, though. I am anti-Hamas and anti-Israeli government. I am pro-civilian - a group comprised mostly of Palestinians and Israelis in your thought experiment.
You see, neither Hamas nor the Israeli government have their people’s interest in mind. However, you can’t really cherry pick aspects of Fascism and anti-Fascism and say, “sEe? BoTh SiDeS!”
Nope. Israeli citizens are not all bombing Palestinians, and Palestinians are not all Hamas.
You’re so close to getting it
Are you saying antifa is equivalent to Hamas?
If the question is whether you’re pro/neutral/anti fascism, I think being anti-fascist is the only reasonable answer personally.
Anti-fascism is a political movement with a lot of political theory. Its not the same thing as saying you’re against fascism.
Anti-fascism is a political movement
Wrong.
with a lot of political theory
What?
Its not the same thing as saying you’re against fascism.
That’s exactly what it is.
No.
No it’s not It only is to people on the right who want that to be the case, The only theory that goes into play into being anti-fascist is thinking fascism is bad.
No, it is not. I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume ignorance instead of malice. What you’re saying is literally verbatim right wing propaganda.
The only thing “anti-fascism” or even “antifa” means is “against fascism”. That’s it.
What’s the opposite of fascism?
yeah if i was sitting in gaza. which were not.
i dont think its crazy to expect the electorate to know the definition of fascism. its also a bit hyperbolic to compare full on genocide with electing a fascist.
its also a bit hyperbolic to compare full on genocide with electing a fascist.
Did you fall asleep in history class or something? How do you think genocides happen?
Tbf, particular nations elect fascists, said nations commit genocide.
What I’m saying is that if you are asking a question that pigeonholes people into two categories sometimes they pick the worst one out of spite. It’s not really am indicator of what that person believes. Kinda like saying if you don’t support BLM you’re a racist, and guess what happened? A bunch of people started saying “well I guess I’m a racist now”
Kinda like saying if you don’t support BLM you’re a racist
No it’s not the same. A better equivalent would be are you racist or anti-racist. Are you pro or anti rape. Are you pro or anti slavery.
Facism is defined as a violently oppressive form of government. It shouldn’t be a hard question if you’re not a piece of shit
If you read Ibram X Kendi’s treatise on anti-racism you’d know that example is not helping your argument
BLM is a specific organization. Fascism is an ideology. It’s more like saying if you’re not for civil rights you’re a racist.
But really, you’re spending a lot of time and energy trying to explain why you’re, at best, neutral on fascism.
No, I’m spending energy trying to explain to an echo chamber that forcing people to take binary extreme positions forces neutral people to take extreme positions. It’s a matter of politics and getting policy passed, if you call a neutral person a fascist, the will not vote with you. Calling people names is not a way to get their support. I can tell that people really have not learned anything these past 8 years. A lot of Trump support in 2016 came from exactly this type of rhetorical mechanisms. You want to keep on going this way? Go ahead, but you will not get the support you need, but at the end of the day you can just say those people were fascists and racists anyways, right? Extremely convenient
You think being against fascism is extreme? That should be a baseline position.
And I’m not going to coddle Trump supporters just because they act like contrarian children when they get called out.
If some anonymous nobody on the Internet is making you support Trump or embrace hate because they said something you didn’t like or called you a mean name and you want to pwn them, you were just looking for a reason to support it anyway and need to grow the fuck up.
and guess what happened? A bunch of people started saying “well I guess I’m a racist now”
They were always racists. They just decided it was okay to admit it.
“Whoopsie I got caught guess I’ll quit hiding it.”
The reason I brought up the Palestine Israel example was because it was a real question in a survey (NYT I think?), more that 50% of the people under 30 responded they support Hamas and under 20 years old it was as high as 70%. By your logic, all of these people are terrorist, and always have been.
Please show how that is my logic. Do those people all call themselves racists?
If they pick fascist ‘to spite’ me they’re very clearly in that camp. Not because the question was asked but because of their intent in answering.
“they were forced” lmao what a gaggle of shit
While I’ve seen many binary choice questions that are loaded questions, I think the above is a good example. A follow up (or two) if the person balks at the question itself is the following:
Do you know what fascism is and how to spot it?
Do you think antifa is a single entity and not a general ideology?
If it’s an entity, can you name or even lookup it’s leadership?
Do you believe everyone who espouses an anti fascist value system is a member of that org?
Good binary questions can help guide a discussion and expose biases and misunderstandings held by each side in the discussion. Seemingly paradoxically, nailing down specific stances using those types of questions, you can explore the nuance of certain positions.
Ex: on abortion
- Are you for or against the government mandated birth? (Seems loaded, right?)
- Are you for or against the government spending resources and citizen time investigating all miscarriages? 2a. Do you know how common miscarriages are? 2b. Do you know what the medical term is for a miscarriage?
- Are you in favor of the law punishing equally anybody who causes a spontaneous abortion or increases the likelihood of one? Even coal power plants?
- Are you for or against all abortions including those that are medically necessary to prevent undue suffering and/or injury to the mother? 4a. Do you believe an ectopic pregnancy is a condition that warrants an abortion?
- Are you for or against politicians making medical decisions on your behalf in the name of their ideology and/or gaining political points OR should the decision be left between the patient, their doctor, and the medical field’s understanding of the best standard of care?
- Are you in favor of all abortions at any time? 6a… Will a hospital in the states with the most liberal abortion laws perform an abortion on a woman with a healthy pregnancy at 8-9 months? 6b. If a fetus lacks a brain and no chance of survival, should the woman be denied the appropriate care?
Question 1 may just be a way to reframe the stances from “pro-life” / “anti-life”
Q2 helps bring the reality of what enforcement of that person’s stance may entail.
Q3 shows that big companies go unpunished for the same (or worse) violations of restrictive abortion laws and other laws that are used to punish women who miscarry.
Q4 helps bring focus on the fact that anti-abortion laws that are currently being passed and enforced are written so poorly that they are forcing (through threat of imprisonment)
Etc
These are all excellent questions to lead into a good discussion. Assuming you have someone who is open to approaching in good faith and who trusts you to do the same. I have a friend who I try to have similar dialogs with.
I don’t suppose you have looked at street epistemology. Sort of the same vibe of exploring beliefs in a less/not confrontational way.
Then the question could have simply have been phrased as “are you for pr against fascism.” Everyone know that Anti Fascism is a political ideology that goes beyond just simply being against fascism. And that’s why people don’t want to identify with that term
the two are not logically exclusive. a correct comparison is
“are you Pro-Isreal, or Anti-Israel” and “are you Pro-Hamas or Anti-Hamas”.
You are also so close to getting it.
And you, clearly, are in another postal code entirely.
“are you a fascist or are you an anti-fascist?” is exclusionary, you can only be one. You cant both be fascist and anti-fascist, nor can it be 1 and not 1, they are logically exclusionary.
“is the number of gumballs odd, or not odd” “you are so close to getting it” “yea… that’s not an answer”
"“Are you Pro Israel or Pro Hamas” is not, and proposing that as an example shows a complete lack of understanding on basic syllogism.
NVM, just saw you said this multiple times to everyone who raised a point you cant refute.
Worst made up genocidal criminal thieving country
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Easy choice.
To the fascist movement? Yes.
Another “lone wolf” that has nothing at all to do with the bog standard violent demagoguery of every single right wing talking head grifter I’m sure
What are you saying? This has nothing to do with the current republican party or their talking points!
Mohn also calls for the end of “all woke and gender ideology propaganda in schools and other public places
I’m sure it’s a coincidence…
Mohn spouts several far-right talking points, including:
“America is rotting from the inside out as far-left woke mobs rampage our once prosperous cities, turning them into lawless zones.”
" A fifth column army of illegal immigrants infiltrates our border"
Oh…
Decapitating a family member because there are men in your imagination wearing women’s clothes.
Yikes on bikes. I’m guessing this is yet another person that probably should’ve been in a mental institution instead of alone, ignored, and getting suckered into the alt right pipeline. Surely the level of violence he exhibited is pathological.
Sadly, there’s a chance that he wasn’t alone and ignored but was getting as much help and support from his family as they could give on their own. The thought of which makes it even more heart-breaking.
Could be. Oof. :(
I know this a very serious discussion, but I just wanted to say the phrase “yikes on bikes” is a good one.
Is this stuff even far-right anymore? Feels like it’s fully adopted by pretty much all self proclaimed Republicans at this point.
It’s ironic that if you proclaim to be communist or anarchist, they’ll basically blacklist you, yet one of our political parties is also the largest organized hate group in the nation, and we just accept that as normal.
This dude LITERALLY pulled an ISIS beheading his father while basically giving the same talking points AS FUCKING ISIS.
Swatting, bomb threats, planting bombs, death threats, murder, mass shootings, election tampering, sedition, attacking government institutions. Let’s call a spade a spade. They’re a terrorist organization
This is not an edited photo. CPAC literally created and wore that banner of their own volition.
On one hand this is the internet so you shouldn’t believe everything you’re told/see. On the other hand I can see Republicans being stupid and tone deaf enough to actually do this…
It’s pretty easy to verify.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cpac-banner-domestic-terrorists/
goddamn. I’d have felt better with it being a photoshop.
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The 2022 Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) took place in Dallas, Texas, from Aug. 4-7, featuring Republican notables such as former U.S. President Donald Trump and U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz, as well as an assortment of panel discussions.
It’s very true, their mask slipped and they admitted what they are. The GOP are domestic terrorists intent on installing a theocratic Christian fascist regime in complete disregard of any freedoms or ideas you may hold. They do not engage in good faith discussions, the only thing they’re interested in is power.
They’re terrorists, and should be dealt with as such.
This isn’t a mask slipping, this is not wearing it at all.
This is far beyond stupid and tone deaf.
Here’s a phrase I wish I took more seriously when I was younger: “When someone tells you who they are, believe them.”
And they have the gall to say liberalism is a mental disorder.
Say it with me now, “P-R-O-J-E-C-T-I-O-N”
…and even taking that BS at face value, an actual mental disorder is infinitely preferable to sober and calculated malice.
“No -your- brain is broken! I’m just plain ol’ evil.”
Their brains are broken. Depending on age, it the condition has a chance to be arrested, if not corrected. Until a significant amount of “not right leaning” people understand that at a core level, nothing will change.
Well said. We as a nation need to snap the fuck out of it and realize how insane this all is. How utterly abnormal all this should be.
It’s astonishing they’re even given a platform, much less being one of the most influential political parties in the nation
They aren’t all that organized to be fair
Republicans are literally CUTTING OFF PEOPLE’S HEADS because of Ideological Disagreements but they are NOT Terrorists! ISIS are Terrorists because THEY cut off people’s heads because of Ideological Disagreements!
Not even just people…his own dad. Who seems to have worked hard to give this douchebag what he has in life. And all it took was the scum fanning the flames of his hatred for ad money and airtime.
Don’t forget that “bOtH sIdEs ArE tHe SaMe!”
Republicans are literally CUTTING OFF PEOPLE’S HEADS because of Ideological Disagreements but they are NOT Terrorists!
They also get a pass because they aren’t brown people.
How much would fox news cover this if this was an Antifa / BLM person?
Oops, that doesn’t happen because Antifa / BLM aren’t remotely a concern to the FBI, unlike right-wing extremists responsible for the vast majority of political violence and murder.
Political violence has been perpetrated by the right wing extremists far, far more often than the left, yes. Totally agree with your point.
But I have to speak up: The FBI has tracked and harassed leftists and black activists in the past and I don’t want anyone to think otherwise.
True, but it wasn’t always true. In the 1960s and 70s the far left was more violent. Not especially relevant, but it is interesting.
That’s disturbing. That quoted bit of dialogue definitely has some grandiose language. Seems like yet another case where extremist right wing media fed into psychosis leading to a tragic outcome.
Yeah definitely a mix of mental health and too much propaganda. In the quoted portions he is clearly delusional. He tells all postal workers that if they don’t quit and join their countrymen he can’t promise protection for them. He may have done something like this anyway but clearly the anti Biden message has resonated with him.
Are we calling conservatism a psychosis now? Ok, I can see that.
I think it’s more that this nut job latched onto conservatism as his thing. If it wasn’t that it would have been something else.
That being said, if conservatism wasn’t preventing adequate mental healthcare maybe this wouldn’t have happened.
But it wasn’t something else and it’s never something else.
Really? No crazy person has ever snapped and killed someone for any reason other than conservatism?
What ideology produces a comparable number of spree killers to the far right?
You don’t have to be “crazy” to kill someone (unless you care to argue that every soldier is a crazy person) and you don’t have to be far-right to kill someone.
But American conservatives absolutely target and encourage murderers using exactly the same methods as Muslim extremists do. They told him exactly who he should kill and why he should kill them.
Would he have killed him anyway, even if conservatives hadn’t pushed him to? Sure, maybe.
But in this reality, he held up a severed head to the public and repeated conservative talking points.
Imagine what hes going to realize/think/feel when he gets medicated.
“He’s going to get medicated, right?” -Padme
I think he will hold onto this fractured reality because letting go of it will be too painful.
You don’t need to be psychotic to murder someone. Soldiers can be trained to kill. There could be nothing in his head to medicate away, just a bunch of conservative dogshit where his mind should have been.
The far-right intentionally targets vulnerable people. It’s why all their heroes are teenagers or violently mentally ill.
Again…. NOT a cross-dresser.
I’m sure the far-right is desperately searching for something “leftist” to pin on him while simultaneously applauding him in their seedy little Nazi chat rooms.
Not a drag queen.
Not LGBTQ+.
🤔
Not a minority.
In fact, he was adamantly anti-LGBTQ+.
Come to think of it, a lot of other terrorists are anti-LGBTQ+ as well.
I’m sure there’s no connection tho.
Any one left of Reagan in 2024:
Someone with Reagan’s exact politics in this day and age would be considered a left-wing woke monster by most of the modern right.
Dude did a lot of tax hikes and was against having capital gains taxes be separate from income taxes.
He did try to genocide the gays though and modern conservatives do like to genocide the gays.
Don’t forget his gun control measures, although that was admittedly only for racist reasons…
Another person driven to hate and violence by the republican party when all he needed was solutions from the left.
He sued the feds 4 times, including one time when:
Mohn “alleged that the obligation to make payments on his student loan led to mental anguish, emotional distress, financial strain, lack of savings, and debt, all of which allegedly impacted his quality of life.”
-https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/justin-mohn-was-angry-he-couldn-t-get-job-as-overeducated-white-man/ar-BB1hyebPFucking hell, and he thought the Republicans were going to be the ones to help him?
Biden literally tried to forgive a bunch of student loan debt last year, but was blocked by Republicans.
I know there’s no explaining mental illness, but our country is failing people when they’re this misinformed.
“Mohn was arrested near a National Guard training center in Fort Indiantown Gap at around 10:00 PM, approximately an hour before a 911 call was made about 100 miles away by a woman who told operators that she found her husband’s head in their home. Police had been called to the residence earlier, around 7:00 PM when they found Mohn’s headless body after being alerted to the existence of the video.”
Wait so the police show up at 7 PM and find the body. Then leave and come back when the wife found the head. Jesus that is fucked.
Yea what the actual fuck is going on with that police force?
If I were in that district I’d be calling my representative to put pressure on their mayor cuz they just traumatized an innocent women for no reason. Coroner could’ve been there and gone in 4 hours, hooooly shiiiit
To be fair, we don’t know where she found the head. They might have thought he took it with him.
For how much we spend on policing there should be no mistakes.
Bro what the fuck
I know right?!?!
From another source, decapitation aside, this guy does sound severely mentally ill.
"The video, reviewed by this news organization, includes a manifesto-style rant in which Mohn calls on his followers to take action against federal employees. It is titled “Call to Arms for American Patriots.”
After holding up what appears to be his father’s severed head, he says he now controls and commands “America’s police and military,” and calls for the execution of federal employees, and puts bounties on the FBI director, the Attorney General and the Chief Supreme Court Justice.
He rails against the LGBTQ community, the Black Lives Matters and “terrorist organizations such as anti-fa.” He calls for the seizure of federal buildings and says federal employees should be “publicly executed for betraying their country.”
This is how stochastic terrorism works. Fox news pumps out a constant stream of crazy shit that they can plausibly say are opinions or entertainment, then vulnerable people who are exposed to it intertwine it with their own delusions and carry out acts of violence. Fox and others keep upping their rhetoric to keep their people hooked, their viewers keep escalating their rhetoric, and their viewers become more and more radicalized. It starts with mentally ill people who’ve been poisoned by this taking action, and eventually the terrorism gets normalized.
IMHO, this will continue to happen more regularly until there are red hat mobs going door to door executing everyone with a pride flag or black lives matter sign in their window. The cops will be there to make sure no one resists the mob, just like they did with white riots in the past.
This is what right wing talking points do to a motherfucker. These people are not well to begin with, and when they mainline toxic propoganda 24/7 they go absolutely insane.
…Mohn spouts…
The federal government of America has declared war on America’s citizens and the American states. America is rotting from the inside out as far-left woke mobs rampage our once prosperous cities, turning them into lawless zones.
[A] fifth column army of illegal immigrants infiltrates our border, and if the traitorous Biden regime is successful in sending America’s military overseas to fight for Ukraine and die in a Russian winter just like every other military who has ever fought Russia in the winter, then America will be less protected when the fifth column of illegal immigrants strikes Americans on our own soil. …
If you are a federal employee and are listening to this message, now is your last chance to resign from the side of the traitors and join your countrymen in taking back your country. … I urge the U.S. Postal Service to suspend their services at this time, split from the federal government, and join your countrymen, or else I cannot offer federal postal workers any protection. If the media begins to spread lies about this revolution and its patriots. Then I authorize the targeting of news stations and their owners and employees as well. The hunting, capturing, and killing of America’s federal employees will not stop until Americans’ demands are met.
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From another source, decapitation aside, this guy does sound severely mentally ill.
"The video, reviewed by this news organization, includes a manifesto-style rant in which Mohn calls on his followers to take action against federal employees. It is titled “Call to Arms for American Patriots.”
After holding up what appears to be his father’s severed head, he says he now controls and commands “America’s police and military,” and calls for the execution of federal employees, and puts bounties on the FBI director, the Attorney General and the Chief Supreme Court Justice.
He rails against the LGBTQ community, the Black Lives Matters and “terrorist organizations such as anti-fa.” He calls for the seizure of federal buildings and says federal employees should be “publicly executed for betraying their country.”
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I mean, even aside from that, thinking that he’s now leading the US military and law enforcement…
