That was a calculation made by democrat leadership. They banked on further alienating progressives for their donors, and to push for the Republican values they truly want. Every compromise against progressive platforms has been a full rightward tilt. They miscalculated the severity of their abandonment of progressive voters. Arguments to “vote blue no matter who” and “don’t let perfect be the enemy of good” are obfuscating the reality that we are here because of this rightward ratchet. And all progressive promises turn out to be lies convenient during an election. Blaming disenfranchised voters is an attempt to defer blame where Is doesn’t belong to maintain power, and is a losing strategy against republicans.
Exactly, it’s not the job of the voters to convince a party their interests are worth pursing, it is the job of the party to convince voters that they will pursue their interests.
Donor money alone can not win an election and a failure to engage with voters will sure as hell lose it.
Like a lot of folks on lemmy who claim to want things to be better, you’re full of criticism of the democratic Party and can divert absolutely any topic whatsoever to be the fault of the Democrats, and trying to get you to come up with any genuine criticism of the republicans will fail because you’re perfectly happy with the continued dominance of the far right as long as you get to talk about how the policies of the Republican Party are the responsibility of the democratic Party and the people who vote for them. It’s actually insane nonsense and I see through your doublethink even if you don’t.
You make foolish assumptions about me that could be easily disproved by a glance at my history. Democrats do not get to sell out their base just because republicans are more evil. Turns out that the democrats are incapable of dealing with the situation. So before we can work on republicans we have to bring democrats to heel.
Complaining about republicans being stupid or evil is a waste of time because at this point i don’t see any republicans voter being swayed by logic or empathy, or even their own interest. Its a waste of my breath complaining that water is wet.
Its too bad the Democratic party is so full of shit that trying to clean house has put you on the defensive. And you reflexively blame abandoned voters for the parties failings. But the party is too incompetent and an active obstacle in dealing with trump
Like I said, you’re full of criticism of the democratic Party and can divert absolutely any topic whatsoever to be the fault of the Democrats, and trying to get you to come up with any genuine specific criticism of the republicans will fail.
Your criticisms of the Democrats are specific and carry real hatred but your criticisms of the republicans are vague and largely dismissed by you yourself as a waste of time. I’ve seen it time and time again. You’re no different to the other “leftists” and “tankies” even if you like to think you’re different. You claim to want left but speak act to keep the right in power, just like Trump wants you to.
You didn’t even try to engage in good faith. But sure—if you want to know why i despise the Republican Party, here’s a start:
Their entire economic platform is a scam—top-down Reaganomics designed to funnel wealth upward under the myth of trickle-down prosperity. They prop up oligarchs while gutting the working class, not out of ignorance, but intent.
Their ‘traditional values’ are a mask for racism, sexism, and authoritarianism. They treat society like a zero-sum game, blocking policies that would uplift everyone—sometimes even when those policies would increase profit—because empowering others threatens their grip on control.
They wield suffering as policy—undermining healthcare, crushing unions, sabotaging public education, and demonizing the poor to maintain wage slavery. They distort religion into a loyalty tool and wrap cruelty in sanctimony.
They claim to champion the myth of the ‘free market’ while enabling monopolies, bailing out legacy industries, and crushing innovation. They undermine democracy, rewrite history, borrow recklessly against the future, and sell out public institutions for short-term gain.
And internationally? They escalate conflict and entrench U.S. hegemony through violence, turning soldiers into pawns, all while claiming patriotism.
There is more i am sure. There is not a single good thing i can think of that would be worth giving to them in principle. Fuck the republicans and those who vote for them
because nothing says America wants left wing government more clearly than electing the republicans!
That was a calculation made by democrat leadership. They banked on further alienating progressives for their donors, and to push for the Republican values they truly want. Every compromise against progressive platforms has been a full rightward tilt. They miscalculated the severity of their abandonment of progressive voters. Arguments to “vote blue no matter who” and “don’t let perfect be the enemy of good” are obfuscating the reality that we are here because of this rightward ratchet. And all progressive promises turn out to be lies convenient during an election. Blaming disenfranchised voters is an attempt to defer blame where Is doesn’t belong to maintain power, and is a losing strategy against republicans.
Exactly, it’s not the job of the voters to convince a party their interests are worth pursing, it is the job of the party to convince voters that they will pursue their interests.
Donor money alone can not win an election and a failure to engage with voters will sure as hell lose it.
That’s a lot of words to cover over your preposterous assertion that electing the neo fascists shows how America wants left wing government.
The Democratic Party lost to Donal trump, this is the second time. Seems to me the democrats need their progressive voters. Best they answer to them.
Like a lot of folks on lemmy who claim to want things to be better, you’re full of criticism of the democratic Party and can divert absolutely any topic whatsoever to be the fault of the Democrats, and trying to get you to come up with any genuine criticism of the republicans will fail because you’re perfectly happy with the continued dominance of the far right as long as you get to talk about how the policies of the Republican Party are the responsibility of the democratic Party and the people who vote for them. It’s actually insane nonsense and I see through your doublethink even if you don’t.
You make foolish assumptions about me that could be easily disproved by a glance at my history. Democrats do not get to sell out their base just because republicans are more evil. Turns out that the democrats are incapable of dealing with the situation. So before we can work on republicans we have to bring democrats to heel.
Complaining about republicans being stupid or evil is a waste of time because at this point i don’t see any republicans voter being swayed by logic or empathy, or even their own interest. Its a waste of my breath complaining that water is wet.
Its too bad the Democratic party is so full of shit that trying to clean house has put you on the defensive. And you reflexively blame abandoned voters for the parties failings. But the party is too incompetent and an active obstacle in dealing with trump
Like I said, you’re full of criticism of the democratic Party and can divert absolutely any topic whatsoever to be the fault of the Democrats, and trying to get you to come up with any genuine specific criticism of the republicans will fail.
Your criticisms of the Democrats are specific and carry real hatred but your criticisms of the republicans are vague and largely dismissed by you yourself as a waste of time. I’ve seen it time and time again. You’re no different to the other “leftists” and “tankies” even if you like to think you’re different. You claim to want left but speak act to keep the right in power, just like Trump wants you to.
You didn’t even try to engage in good faith. But sure—if you want to know why i despise the Republican Party, here’s a start:
Their entire economic platform is a scam—top-down Reaganomics designed to funnel wealth upward under the myth of trickle-down prosperity. They prop up oligarchs while gutting the working class, not out of ignorance, but intent.
Their ‘traditional values’ are a mask for racism, sexism, and authoritarianism. They treat society like a zero-sum game, blocking policies that would uplift everyone—sometimes even when those policies would increase profit—because empowering others threatens their grip on control.
They wield suffering as policy—undermining healthcare, crushing unions, sabotaging public education, and demonizing the poor to maintain wage slavery. They distort religion into a loyalty tool and wrap cruelty in sanctimony.
They claim to champion the myth of the ‘free market’ while enabling monopolies, bailing out legacy industries, and crushing innovation. They undermine democracy, rewrite history, borrow recklessly against the future, and sell out public institutions for short-term gain.
And internationally? They escalate conflict and entrench U.S. hegemony through violence, turning soldiers into pawns, all while claiming patriotism.
There is more i am sure. There is not a single good thing i can think of that would be worth giving to them in principle. Fuck the republicans and those who vote for them
Now that, I have to admit, it’s a great answer.