• @throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works
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    -29 days ago

    “free will” is chemical process. Chemical processes are dictated by the laws of physics.

    You don’t have any more “free will” than an apple falling from a tree. Or a ball rolling.

    • @crt0o@lemm.ee
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      49 days ago

      The laws of physics are not deterministic at the fundamental level, we clearly experience some kind of agency, so doesn’t it make sense to assume that it could be the origin of this indeterminism?

        • @crt0o@lemm.ee
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          39 days ago

          You’re assuming quantum indeterminism is random in the sense that there is no agency behind it, but there is no evidence of that. If anything, the fact we feel like we have free will suggests there might be some agency somewhere, and if it manifests anywhere, that is as indeterminism at the fundamental level.

          • @pcalau12i@lemmy.world
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            28 days ago

            If there is an agent who is deciding it then that would show up in the statistics. Unless you’re saying there exists an agent who decides the outcomes but always just so happens to very conveniently decide they should be entirely random. lol

            • @crt0o@lemm.ee
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              28 days ago

              My idea is that the agent is the particle itself, and the laws of physics are simply the statistics of what decisions it tends to make. I imagine that if a fundamental particle like an electron was phenomenally conscious and had some kind of agency, it wouldn’t have any intention or self-awareness, so it would decide practically randomly, based on its quantum state, which would be some kind of rudimentary experience it has.

              • @pcalau12i@lemmy.world
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                18 days ago

                I feel like this is no different practically speaking than just saying its behavior is random, but anthropomorphizing it for some reason.

                • @crt0o@lemm.ee
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                  18 days ago

                  The reason is trying to work towards a model which could actually solve the hard problem, something which the physicalism prevalent in science has failed at completely. Consciousness is a fundamental aspect of reality, and it needs to be taken seriously, any model which doesn’t include it is either inacurrate or incomplete. Yes, a single particle might act randomly, but that might not hold for a more complex entangled system, especially an orchestrated one inside a living being.

                  • @pcalau12i@lemmy.world
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                    7 days ago

                    There is no “hard problem.” It’s made up. Nagel’s paper that Chalmers bases all his premises on is just awful and assumes for no reason at all that physical reality is something that exists entirely independently of one’s point of view within it, never justifies this bizarre claim and builds all of his arguments on top of it which then Chalmers cites as if they’re proven. “Consciousness” as Chalmers defines it doesn’t even exist and is just a fiction.