She failed to differentiate herself from biden in many different ways. One of which was her stance on genocide. Less people generally came out and voted for her in part due to these factors
Remember the cops beating the shit out of students across the country? If she pledged to end support for Israel, instead of being “the other genocide candidate”, Trump would have been the “resume genocide” candidate, and all those politically activated students would be getting their friends to vote. Between that and their response to 2020, they showed the next generation that the democrats are a dead end for enacting social change.
Trump IS the BURN ALL PALESTINIANS AND TURN GAZA INTO YHE VEGAS OF THE MIDDLE EAST candidate. And that was somehow better. But yeah you’re right. We should capitulate the entire country and everything else because of that right. Fuck it, if we can’t have perfection let’s just burn it all down.
From the POV of someone who just wants the Genocide to stop, “Burning all Palestinians and tuning Gaza into New Vegas” and “Burning all Palestinians and tuning Gaza into vacation homes for rich Israelis” is functionally equivalent.
That was by no means the only issue I based my vote on, but I also don’t think it’s unreasonable for someone to conclude that voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil
Hence why I said that wasn’t the only factor in determining my vote.
The question is though, where will it end? I’m 51 years old and ever since I have been able to vote the choices have been between a shit bag, and an even worse shit bag.
At some point we have to put pressure on the DNC to put up someone who is actually woth voting for, and if they know we will always vote for the lesser evil, what incentive do they have to change their strategy?
Harris was already a Republican in all but name and she only looked good compared to Hitler 2.0, if this trend continues the only “choice” will be between a far right fascist, and an extremely far right fascist.
It will never end. It has been this way since we walked rivers and fought with sticks and it’ll be this way until the last black holes evaporate. You’re 51 and still haven’t learned this. Are you even paying attention at this point.
Lol Americans didn’t stay home for gaza, most Americans didn’t give a shit about that.
It was always about the cost of living. The average Democratic voter mindset is: “I voted Biden last time and nothing changed except food got more expensive, why bother voting”
Exactly. And the Democrats made it even worse for themselves by claiming there was no economic crisis - that Biden had beaten inflation, beaten unemployment, and claims of a bad economy were just Republican propaganda. The American people looked at their paychecks and grocery bills and called bullshit. Harris was right that Trump would govern as a fascist dictator with Project 2025 as the roadmap - but the Democrats lied to America’s face about the economy and that made everything else they said sound untrustworthy too.
If the Dems had taken America’s economic struggles seriously, Harris would be President now. But Biden refused to admit his economy was bad and Harris didn’t have the guts to contradict Biden. And here we are.
Even when democrats say they support change for the middle class, they feel like nothing meaningful gets passed because democrats don’t actually represent them. Gaza is a part of this: those who see the obvious genocide happening are incredulous that their party won’t do anything about it.
People have lost faith in liberalism, and I think its for good reason.
Yes, and the rise in the cost of living was because of the housing crisis. The Democratic party didn’t contribute to Inflation. People buying epic amounts of real estate caused the inflation. Ironically, it was Silicon Valley and Musk followers who were grabbing up most of the real estate after the pandemic. That land is being appropriated for their “freedom cities,” or company towns, where their soulless employees can live. I think they plan to stash their loyal followers in these cities while this country devolves into civil war and chaos. Yes, they really do want to trigger a civil war or race war. They will house only those stupid enough to work for them in “smart” cities, where technology and AI keeps everyone under tight watch. Just heard on MSNBC that the data Musk and his hackers stole from their DOGE raid is being used to assemble a database on Americans for surveillance purposes. China has done this to their people. Time to go low profile, seriously.
Under Obama, during QE 1 2 3 etc., a lot of taxpayer (your and mine) money was given to banks interest free to buy up property to hold its value. Banks had nothing to lose, money was free.
In other words, taxpayer money was used to reduce inventory which in turn jacked up housing prices that taxpayers could not afford. In a free market, housing should fall with affordability, instead here our money was made to work against us.
So yes, democrats did contribute a lot to cost of living.
You’re right that most American’s didn’t give a shit, but even those who did knew that the genocide was not on the ballot.
Or rather, “no genocide plz” wasn’t on the ballot. Not on a viable choice, FPTP voting, etc, etc. The choices were “same old stuff” and “foot on the gas, bomb it into pink and gray dust and build a chintzy resort.”
She failed to differentiate herself from biden in many different ways. One of which was her stance on genocide. Less people generally came out and voted for her in part due to these factors
Of all the reasons to not vote for her. Gaza is the dumbest of them all.
Remember the cops beating the shit out of students across the country? If she pledged to end support for Israel, instead of being “the other genocide candidate”, Trump would have been the “resume genocide” candidate, and all those politically activated students would be getting their friends to vote. Between that and their response to 2020, they showed the next generation that the democrats are a dead end for enacting social change.
Trump IS the BURN ALL PALESTINIANS AND TURN GAZA INTO YHE VEGAS OF THE MIDDLE EAST candidate. And that was somehow better. But yeah you’re right. We should capitulate the entire country and everything else because of that right. Fuck it, if we can’t have perfection let’s just burn it all down.
From the POV of someone who just wants the Genocide to stop, “Burning all Palestinians and tuning Gaza into New Vegas” and “Burning all Palestinians and tuning Gaza into vacation homes for rich Israelis” is functionally equivalent.
That was by no means the only issue I based my vote on, but I also don’t think it’s unreasonable for someone to conclude that voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil
Well one of those evils is going to control you and everyone else one way or another so yes it is unreasonable to not vote for damage mitigation.
Hence why I said that wasn’t the only factor in determining my vote.
The question is though, where will it end? I’m 51 years old and ever since I have been able to vote the choices have been between a shit bag, and an even worse shit bag.
At some point we have to put pressure on the DNC to put up someone who is actually woth voting for, and if they know we will always vote for the lesser evil, what incentive do they have to change their strategy?
Harris was already a Republican in all but name and she only looked good compared to Hitler 2.0, if this trend continues the only “choice” will be between a far right fascist, and an extremely far right fascist.
It will never end. It has been this way since we walked rivers and fought with sticks and it’ll be this way until the last black holes evaporate. You’re 51 and still haven’t learned this. Are you even paying attention at this point.
Harris could have capitalized on no genocide. You cant run on "genocide, but at least we’ll pretend to oppose it:, thats not how humans work.
That’s exactly how the world works. Everyone trying to act like it’s not is simply ignoring reality.
No it’s not and you have last election to prove it. You cant motivate people to vote for you with “I’m only going to do 80% of <bad thing>”
It was just an example.
Her support of genocide didn’t win her any favor along with her support of the ruling class.
exhibit #6569 of centrists not knowing and just not caring what their constituents care about.
Lol Americans didn’t stay home for gaza, most Americans didn’t give a shit about that.
It was always about the cost of living. The average Democratic voter mindset is: “I voted Biden last time and nothing changed except food got more expensive, why bother voting”
Exactly. And the Democrats made it even worse for themselves by claiming there was no economic crisis - that Biden had beaten inflation, beaten unemployment, and claims of a bad economy were just Republican propaganda. The American people looked at their paychecks and grocery bills and called bullshit. Harris was right that Trump would govern as a fascist dictator with Project 2025 as the roadmap - but the Democrats lied to America’s face about the economy and that made everything else they said sound untrustworthy too.
If the Dems had taken America’s economic struggles seriously, Harris would be President now. But Biden refused to admit his economy was bad and Harris didn’t have the guts to contradict Biden. And here we are.
It’s mostly that second part.
Even when democrats say they support change for the middle class, they feel like nothing meaningful gets passed because democrats don’t actually represent them. Gaza is a part of this: those who see the obvious genocide happening are incredulous that their party won’t do anything about it.
People have lost faith in liberalism, and I think its for good reason.
Yes, and the rise in the cost of living was because of the housing crisis. The Democratic party didn’t contribute to Inflation. People buying epic amounts of real estate caused the inflation. Ironically, it was Silicon Valley and Musk followers who were grabbing up most of the real estate after the pandemic. That land is being appropriated for their “freedom cities,” or company towns, where their soulless employees can live. I think they plan to stash their loyal followers in these cities while this country devolves into civil war and chaos. Yes, they really do want to trigger a civil war or race war. They will house only those stupid enough to work for them in “smart” cities, where technology and AI keeps everyone under tight watch. Just heard on MSNBC that the data Musk and his hackers stole from their DOGE raid is being used to assemble a database on Americans for surveillance purposes. China has done this to their people. Time to go low profile, seriously.
Under Obama, during QE 1 2 3 etc., a lot of taxpayer (your and mine) money was given to banks interest free to buy up property to hold its value. Banks had nothing to lose, money was free. In other words, taxpayer money was used to reduce inventory which in turn jacked up housing prices that taxpayers could not afford. In a free market, housing should fall with affordability, instead here our money was made to work against us.
So yes, democrats did contribute a lot to cost of living.
You’re right that most American’s didn’t give a shit, but even those who did knew that the genocide was not on the ballot.
Or rather, “no genocide plz” wasn’t on the ballot. Not on a viable choice, FPTP voting, etc, etc. The choices were “same old stuff” and “foot on the gas, bomb it into pink and gray dust and build a chintzy resort.”
There was a whole Muslims for Trump contingent in many swing states specifically because of the genocide.
Trump still got third place among Muslim voters, but the genocide made Jill Stein almost beat Harris in that community.
I don’t get this one. They were both pro genocide, so how was Trump’s version any better?
Trump’s campaign was willing to blatantly lie and claim he would end the war on day 1. Some idiots took him at his word.