Wow, the Gazan civilians must have done something really serious to merit being attacked like this, ending the cease fire…
Right? Um… right? /s
they survived? i have no snark left
The people in Gaza survived a lot better than I predicted ; but I think the mortality from all causes is huge, under reported and still minimized.
It’s absolutely giving horrible what’s happened and also absolutely predictable this type of behavior from Trump happened.
It’s just so extremely frustrating and sad.
if the brave hamas freedom fighters weren’t hiding behind them with the hostages using the gazans as human shields it would be easier
We get it, you’re a Zionist
De-development via the Gaza Occupation
Between July 1971 and February 1972, Sharon enjoyed considerable success. During this time, the entire Strip (apart from the Rafah area) was sealed off by a ring of security fences 53 miles in length, with few entrypoints. Today, their effects live on: there are only three points of entry to Gaza—Erez, Nahal Oz, and Rafah.
Perhaps the most dramatic and painful aspect of Sharon’s campaign was the widening of roads in the refugee camps to facilitate military access. Israel built nearly 200 miles of security roads and destroyed thousands of refugee dwellings as part of the widening process.’ In August 1971, for example, the Israeli army destroyed 7,729 rooms (approximately 2,000 houses) in three vola- tile camps, displacing 15,855 refugees: 7,217 from Jabalya, 4,836 from Shati, and 3,802 from Rafah.
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Through 1993 Israel imposed a one-way system of tariffs and duties on the importation of goods through its borders; leaving Israel for Gaza, however, no tariffs or other regulations applied. Thus, for Israeli exports to Gaza, the Strip was treated as part of Israel; but for Gazan exports to Israel, the Strip was treated as a foreign entity subject to various “non-tariff barriers.” This placed Israel at a distinct advantage for trading and limited Gaza’s access to Israeli and foreign markets. Gazans had no recourse against such policies, being totally unable to protect themselves with tariffs or exchange rate controls. Thus, they had to pay more for highly protected Israeli products than they would if they had some control over their own economy. Such policies deprived the occupied territories of significant customs revenue, estimated at $118-$176 million in 1986.
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In a report released in May 2015, the World Bank revealed that as a result of Israel’s blockade and OPE, Gaza’s manufacturing sector shrank by as much as 60% over eight years while real per capita income is 31 percent lower than it was 20 years ago. The report also stated that the blockade alone is responsible for a 50% decrease in Gaza’s GDP since 2007. Furthermore, OPE (combined with the tunnel closure) exacerbated an already grave situation by reducing Gaza’s economy by an additional $460 million.
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The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-Development - Third Edition by Sara M. Roy
Blockade, including Aid
Hamas began twenty years into the occupation during the first Intifada, with the goal of ending the occupation. Collective punishment has been a deliberate Israeli tactic for decades with the Dahiya doctrine. Violence such as suicide bombings and rockets escalated in response to Israeli enforcement of the occupation and apartheid.
After the ‘disengagement’ in 2007, this turned into a full blockade; where Israel has had control over the airspace, borders, and sea. Under the guise of ‘dual-use’ Israel has restricted food, allocating a minimum supply leading to over half of Gaza being food insecure; construction materials, medical supplies, and other basic necessities have also been restricted.
The blockade and Israel’s repeated military offensives have had a heavy toll on Gaza’s essential infrastructure and further debilitated its health system and economy, leaving the area in a state of perpetual humanitarian crisis. Indeed, Israel’s collective punishment of Gaza’s civilian population, the majority of whom are children, has created conditions inimical to human life due to shortages of housing, potable water and electricity, and lack of access to essential medicines and medical care, food, educational equipment and building materials.
- Amnesty International Report pg 26-27
Peace Process and Solution
Hamas proposed a full prisoner swap as early as Oct 8th, and agreed to the US proposed UN Permanent Ceasefire Resolution. Additionally, Hamas has already agreed to no longer govern the Gaza Strip, as long as Palestinians receive liberation and a unified government can take place.
Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution
How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution
‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe
Human Shields
Hamas:
Intentionally utilizing the presence of civilians or other protected persons to render certain areas immune from military attack is prohibited under international law. Amnesty International was not able to establish whether or not the fighters’ presence in the camps was intended to shield themselves from military attacks. However, under international humanitarian law, even if one party uses “human shields”, or is otherwise unlawfully endangering civilians, this does not absolve the opposing party from complying with its obligations to distinguish between military objectives and civilians or civilian objects, to refrain from carrying out indiscriminate or disproportionate attacks, and to take all feasible precautions to spare civilians and civilian objects.
Israel:
Additionally, there is extensive independent verification of Israel using Palestinians as Human Shields:
Deliberate Attacks on Civilians
Israel deliberately targets civilian areas. From in general with the Dahiya Doctrine to multiple systems deployed in Gaza to do so:
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The Dahiya Doctrine & Israel’s Use of Disproportionate Force
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‘A mass assassination factory’: Inside Israel’s calculated bombing of Gaza
Israel also targets Israeli Soldiers and Civilians to prevent them being leveraged as hostages, known as the Hannibal Directive. Which was also used on Oct 7th.
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as a moron, are you happy?
Do you think the ceasefire was a bad idea at the time?
i think the ceasefire was a good idea when the hostages were alive, 15 months ago, when Biden was president…not before "rump made sure no ceesefires would happen in defiance of the Logan act…now come back with something convincing
Oh so you’re just totally on board with the genocide and ethnic cleansing operation of 2 million people in Gaza now. Very cool and normal.
Oh so you’re just totally on board with the genocide and ethnic cleansing operation of 2 million people in Gaza now.
Like they weren’t on board then too.
is it good to be this extravagantly so stupid?
i see the downvoters think "rumps handling of the situation is bettter
You’re whining about people who downvote genocide support.
I see you are the kind of person to say “the best time to start learning is five years ago, so I won’t start now”
Trump is greenlighting genocide. And somehow his supporters will say this is a good thing.
The US has been green-lighting genocide in the Middle East for decades. Party A only seems to notice when Party B takes over the White House. But this has been an ongoing horror story going back to Operation Ajax and the dismantling of the Egyptian democracy following the death of Gamal Nasser, largely through collaboration between the CIA, MI5, and the Mossad.
His base supporters don’t really know or care about the details, because they’re too invested in doing white nationalism at home. His opponents only seem to care about the genocide as far as it allows them to express racist sentiments toward Arab-Americans and other Muslim groups for being insufficiently enthusiastically liberal. His bourgeois supporters recognize genocide as a get-rich-quick scheme for their failsons and faildaughters.
This bloodshed won’t end before the western military occupiers are removed from the region. And I doubt I’ll see that happen in my lifetime.
I don’t care who gets bitchy over this;
America chose bald faced fascism and genocide, over the chance to end genocide and not-fascism.
Suck eggs, whenever you can save up for them. The stay-at-homes are just as guilty.
Suck eggs = children are dying and I’m gloating over it.
Anything to own the lefties though, eh.
Stopping the genocide was never a choice in the table with the red and blue party
America chose bald faced fascism and genocide, over the chance to end genocide and not-fascism.
There was no chance under biden or harris that the genocide would end without running to completion. None. They’re both centrists, and genocide is the only policy I’ve never seen a centrist abandon.
Voted harris but refuse to carry water for genocide supporters.
One of the parties is against the genocide in Ukraine. Funny how you people always forget about that one. Bit inconvenient for your narrative huh
There was no chance to end genocide.
Grater than this 0% ? Sure was.
It was always 0% because genocide is bipartisan.
What makes you think there was a non zero chance with Harris? Anything she said or did? Because I got no indication from her campaign that there was any chance she’d end it
Not with pro-genocide centrists running against pro-genocide fascists.
Yes there was: not voting red or blue
Well, that’s what happened and now you get extra genocide plus total capitulation to russia
Crazy that Americans couldn’t come up with a third, non-genocidal option.
The way US elections work there mathematically cannot be a viable 3rd option.
What’s your plan to stop the genocide? Begging the parties behind it to stop it?
If all third party voters swapped to Harris, she still would have lost. Vote shaming doesn’t work and it’s especially gross when it wouldn’t even matter.
Based on the polls I saw, if 3rd party voters had voted Harris she would have won. Just going from memory, I’ll have to look it up.
That was the false sense of superiority choice, not the end genocide choice.
You have to consider the choices’ actual effects on the world.
Making the correct choice has nothing to do with feeling better than others, it simply is the correct thing to do.
All those dead people thank you for making the “correct” choice.
Voting is not going to be what ends the genocide.
probably not but breaking the red and blue duopoly can do some good.
That won’t be done through voting either. Do you think Republicans are going to let themselves lose ever again?
There’s a big amount of red voters unhappy with trump but that voted for him because in their eyes he’s “lesser evil” than blue and because “there’s no alternative”.
Once a third party gain enough traction to break the narrative that only red or blue can win it will be a landslide. In europe third parties wins all the time.
What I mean is that Republicans are going to do everything they can to stop or rig elections so they don’t have electoral consequences for Trump. Party organizing is going to need to take place outside of electoralism.
Sorry your blue team proto-fascists couldn’t contain their disgusting bloodthirst enough to win the election from the red team fascists. Think outside of this bullshit electoralist thinking for just a second.
I’ll vote so hard for the 3rd party next time! Just your wait and see
Read the last sentence again please
Lol. You people are so silly.
Nuance.
You got the genocide you wanted either way. Now you get the bonus of being able to blame the people who tried to warn you what was going to happen.
I would like ANYONE to stick a camera into the face of these Arab and Muslim leaders who told their followers to help get trump elected because they didn’t think Joe Biden was acting fast enough or giving them the attention they wanted and ask them if their feelings are still hurt with news like this.
I’m sure the people of Gaza are so pleased with them and their stupidity
BuT dOn’T vOtE fOr GeNoCiDe JoE!!1!1! ThE PrIcE Of EgGS!1!1!
And the trump admin wants to build seaside resorts in the purged Gaza then told us to STFu about eggs while the price more than doubled.
There are far too many people on this earth who can only imagine black and white.
They can’t imagine you can have bad and you can have much worse and they are not the same thing.
Edit - in case the downvote wasn’t someone who voted trump to “save Palestine”, my point is you don’t save someone from bad by giving them worse. Which we did.
And not “voting for bad” while allowing worse is performative privilege.
I sure hope everyone who said “Genocide Joe” and “Kamala is a cop” sleeps well every night. Also those 100,000 Dem protest voters in Michigan.
You did it guys, you saved Gaza.
I’m sure those astroturfed, troll farm tools absolutely sleep fine.
How do you sleep knowing you voted for a genocider and still lost?
Well enjoy Trump and the complete destruction of Gaza. Hey you did it good job.
Hey you did it good job.
Tell you what, why dont you Dem centrists reply back and admit, right here right now, that genocide occurred on Bidens watch with his direct assistance and encouragement.
If you cant admit that, then you’re not communicating in good faith.
Well, I know that I did what I could to reduce the death toll, not my fault that idiots ruined it by grandstanding.
Lmao what did you do? Let me guess, you called your representative and asked them nicely to “stop genociding pwetty please but don’t worry I’m still gonna vote for you either way”
I looked at the two options that the Electoral College would allow and picked Harris because she was more capable of the concept of empathy than Trump.
I mean if my person won, segregation would still be illegal in Federal Contracts. So… there’s that.
Where are the many leaders that, deciding to withhold support from Biden and the Democrats, sought to INCREASE support for Trump? I don’t see them.
Reducing support for one candidate lowers the threshold for the other to win, so staying home absolutely supports Trump, same with voting third party thanks to our wonderful system here
Both Trump and Biden/Harris are terrible choices for Palestine. Having said that, count the number of Palestinian casualties under Biden and the number of Palestinian casualties under Trump. I’ll wait.
Also count the number of weeks of ceasefire brokered by Trump vs Biden.
Wait when did Trump broker ANY ceasefire?
A couple months ago when his envoy, Steve Witkoff, made Netanyahu meet him during Shabbat despite Netanyahu’s objections, and pressured him to accept the ceasefire deal.
Rofl that was JOE BIDEN’S ceasefire deal, Trump just happened to take office right before it was finalized.
I feel like you’d buy a bridge from me.
And exactly zero people are shocked by this.
…yet i was told that the biden genocide was somehow worse…cake and eat it shit…
I was told that protest voting would save Gaza, is Gaza saved? /s
I was told that protest voting would save Gaza
Nothing was going to save Gaza. That didn’t mean we needed to continue being complicit. But at least centrists didn’t have to consider abandoning netanyahu.
Unsupporting the red and blue party is the correct thing to do and what will ultimately lead to a positive change. The duopoly party narrative is holding on a really thin line because everyone is unsatisfied on both sides, in europe third parties win plenty of times.
If you throw your trash out of the window that isn’t going to change world pollution but you don’t do that because we live in a society and everyone is supposed to do his part.
The way US elections work it’s mathematically impossible to have a viable 3rd party. We can’t just do it like Europe.
Biden’s help killed more at this time, but Trump should catch up by late summer or early autumn this year. Then we can say Trump killed more than Biden.
But Trumps crimes elsewhere will eclipse this grim milestone , and I doubt most commentators here will remark on that when it happens
Is there a tally for each president?
Yes, kind of, if one follows these things enough
I have this idea for a site like a high score thing, where you could (with citations provided) the kill total of world leaders. See how Stalin, Hitler and Mao stack up to Nixon, Bush, Clinton and Trump.
Where it gets difficult to estimate is when people die many years later from the effects.
Even hurricanes are only recently understood to be a huge cause of mortality over a decade later. So where does one draw the line? When support structures in a society are destroyed by nature or man things happen years later.
And then one had to decide how many a leader is directly responsible for, and how many subordinates acting on their own did.
We’d have to adjust for population growth. Genghis Khan is probably still the reigning genocide champ.
What a strawman of an argument you’ve created. That was never an argument being made, it was that genocide wouldn’t be any worse because genocide is genocide.
And how is this at all different from any of the strikes Biden agreed on that resulted in mass deaths?
Oh and the cake you’re laughing about? Those are children’s lives. Get some perspective and stop reveling in misery.
That was never an argument being made
Bullshit. It was absolutely an argument being made. “We kNoW BiDeN sUpPoRtS gEnOcIde; MaYbE tRuMp WiLl Be BeTtEr” (paraphrased) is very much the sort of dumbass rhetoric that was being tossed around and don’t you dare try to gaslight me otherwise!
You’re just mad that trump is implementing centrists’ only policy.
Get some perspective and stop reveling in misery.
Centrists are stubbornly determined to move right from here. Introspection is a threat to that, so they won’t.
because genocide is genocide.
That’s dumb. Killing more people is worse than killing fewer.
It’s more dumb to think killing everyone is any different to killing everyone.
Genocide brings about the death of the whole cultural group.
There is no little or big genocide, it is all genocide.
Ok, then by your definition there hasn’t BEEN any genocide because they’re not literally all dead yet, so why are you complaining at all,
They’ve been waiting for our permission each time?
They have always wait for US green light to do it and they have always had it
lol. I commented on a post saying that Harris would likely be handling the situation better right now, and I got told by one of the pro-Palestine crazies that they hope my family gets murdered…
I had conversations with many an accelerationist who supported Trump over Harris on Gaza. Pretty sure they were just full of shit and spreading misinformation.
I have to believe the pro-Palestine crazies who call Harris voters Nazis are either Russian trolls or still too ashamed to admit they were conned into voting for Palestine’s complete destruction.
so long as trump, bibi, putin, and their sycophants are in power, pretty much every man woman and child in gaza is living on borrowed time.
No change since last war criminal in power either.
Nixon, Iran, hostages…
