Headline is kind of funny, but I wanted to know what he shot at
In body cam footage shared across social media, the officer was seen jumping to the ground and shouted “shots fired” after the acorn strikes the roof of his car. He then turned and emptied every bullet from his gun, each aimed squarely at his squad car.
Funny again…
While Hernandez fired on the car, Marquis Jackson, who was accused of stealing his girlfriend’s car, was in the back of the police cruiser. Officers had searched, handcuffed and loaded the accused into the back of the police car and, despite being cuffed, it was Jackson that the officer thought was shooting at him.
Nope, he was trying to kill someone handcuffed in the back of his squad car and had already been searched for weapons.
Cop should at least be facing reckless endangerment, if not attempted murder.
He also yelled “I’m hit” while unloading on his own vehicle.
Same as when they think they’re doing on fentanyl…
After hearing the sound of the acorn, the deputy reported that he also felt a “tingliness” all along the side of his body. He then said his “legs just give out” and he fell to the ground, assuming that he had been seriously injured by something.
Because of this, the video also showed Hernandez complaining about feeling “weird” and shouting to his colleague that he’s been hit. It’s all very dramatic.
Cops are constantly terrified because of their training, so they panic and mistake a panic attack for something else.
Being a cop sucks so much (because of their own leadership and culture) that good qualified people do t want to be a cop. So we end up with these fragile snowflakes that shouldn’t be allowed to carry at all. Let alone be a cop
These idiots are so convinced that merely touching fentanyl will make them collapse that it actually happens to them.
If fentanyl was that strong, people would buy one bag and it would last for like a year.
Just so we’re clear, those cops were tested after that ordeal and had absolutely zero fentanyl in their system.
And the tingling he felt was just piss running down his leg.
Yeah… I am sure there are some idiots who believe in the horrors of fentanyl.
The reality is it is a catch all to excuse all the other drugs in their systems. If someone notices a cop is clearly amped up on amphetamines then the reality is that someone in the tri-state area had a single particle of fentanyl on them and THAT is why the cop who just killed four people is alternating between growling and crying while looking even sweatier than alex jones.
Does fentanyl amp you up? I would think it would make you super mellow.
Fentanyl does whatever you want it to baby. Just so long as that involves beating your wife and kids when there isn’t a black kid nearby.
Fentanyl itself is an opiod so it is a downer. But fentanyl, as reported by the media and embraced by cops, is a magic wonderdrug where a single particle in a hundred mile radius will instantly infect every cop through enough PPE that they could survive a zombie infestation and make them do whatever crazy shit they got caught doing.
Imagine a drug you only had to touch. You’d never run out!
What? I always ran out of LSD and all you have to do is touch it because it’s skin permeable.
True, but fentanyl is generally not. They do make fentanyl patches, but casual exposure, like a cop touching a tiny bit of fentanyl, will not result in fentanyl being absorbed.
I know this, but I was responding to the idea that a drug you could touch and get high from would somehow last forever.
That’s just because you don’t know how to make it, and they are selling it to you a few drops at a time. I believe the ingredients are actually pretty cheap. Chemistry students make it.
Sell a man some LSD and he trips for a day. Teach a man to make LSD and he trips for a lifetime!
Not quite. Drugs that can be absorbed through the skin, well, they get absorbed.
It’s not an infinite drugs glitch, just like powdered Fentanyl can’t be absorbed through the skin.
good people get fired as cops because they hesitate to shoot unarmed people and won’t lie for officers doing questionable things.
Training? What training?
My goodness what a fucking snowflake. Maybe you shouldn’t be in the profession if you’re “scared shitless” 99% of the time. But we all know that’s a cover for them. They love killing people.
…fragile snowflakes that shouldn’t be allowed to carry at all.
Yeah but deputy tacticool has holo sights. Not wasted on him at all.
Poor Durango.
“It hit my vest” and “I feel weird”. Them be signs that his fat ass has coronary artery disease. Fucking Okaloosa County. Good riddance. Don’t miss it.
Is he trying to use the South Park ‘He’s coming right for us’ defense?
Aren’t they all?
Cop should at least be facing reckless endangerment, if not attempted murder.
The review board found his conduct was not reasonable; so, it’ll be up to the prosecutor (which I’m sure in FL is an office eager to go after cops). The other officer, who began shooting after the officer wearing the bodycam in the OP began shooting, was found to have acted reasonably.
Essentially, you can’t think an acorn is a bullet and get away with shooting at a detained and secured civilian. But, if another officer on scene thinks, even unreasonably so, that an acorn is a bullet and starts shooting at a detained and secured civilian, you can too. If this doesn’t make a lot of sense to you, take that as reassurance that your critical thinking remains, at least partially, intact.
Nah, it kind of makes sense for the second guy.
Remember, he’s not getting triggered by the acorn, he’s reacting to his coworker yelling that they’ve been shot and actual gunfire. That’s a justified reason to pull out your weapon IMO
Granted, he should’ve tried to take control of the situation and de-escalate so he could “save” his panicked coworker, but that kind of calmness “under fire” would take actual training
It does mean that the assisting officers aren’t required to actually confirm their target, though.
What if this was real. If a 3rd party shot at them. 1st officer fires, blindly assuming it’s the perp in cuffs in the car. 2nd cop shoots and kills perp in car because he saw that’s what his partner was shooting at. When, in this hypothetical scenario, it was really a 3rd party that wasn’t identified yet, which would be the only plausible source of a gun shot anyway since the perp was already searched and cuffed.
That doesn’t make sense to me, but that’s how they’re trained. Ride or die with their comrads. Once the first shot is fired, it’s shoot first and ask questions later for all additional officers.
That’s not good policy. That’s not good for civilians.
It’s not a great policy, but it’s a decision that, you know, has ups and downs either way. On one hand, if you have a particularly sharp officer who can peep out someone shooting at them, locate where that person is, and then fire back and understand exactly what they’re shooting at. It would be better if that officer was able to also get their partner to follow their instructions, rather than relying on their partner, who, you know, being part of the police, might not be a sharp, and might not really be able to understand what’s going on or what to do without external instruction.
That’s if you have it as a kind of top down encompassing training thing, but that’s really kind of the stupidest way to handle it. It’s why the military has rank, and specialists, and roles, you can have a more clear chain of command where the more capable can, at least theoretically, rise to the top and be able to give those instructions. But then, none of this really prevents the person above you snapping randomly, and deciding to shoot a detained and searched person because of an acorn. Of all of what I’ve said, cops have a very mild amount of ranks and shit, too, but they’re obviously subject to much less training, have more uniform ranks, and, like the military, they’re very insular and have very little faith in anything but themselves. So more often than not they’re just going to all collectively default to kind of whatever will keep them the “safest”, which is going to be killing everyone around them that twitches kind of weird. Internal to the police, the life of every cop is worth infinitely more than the life of a criminal, and even the life of your average civilian, or, better put in their terms, potential criminal. When realistically it should be the opposite, but yeah.
I dunno, I kind of think sometimes that, I dunno if it’s just a lack of news reaching over here from other countries, but I never hear about police brutality from other countries nearly as much. Maybe in britain, and france, and places where I can kind of think, oh, yeah, the power structure above them is kind of fucked up, america style, but maybe a little less so. But, so, I kind of wonder if police corruption is really it’s own internal thing, and we should just abolish the police, like everyone says, or if it’s really just every overarching power structure that’s actually fucked up, and if we were like, finland, everything would be fine, cause I’ve not really heard a lot about the police of finland being super corrupt. Basically, I wonder if we target the symptom, and not the problem, because the police are obviously the slammer, you know, they’re the pog which gets thrown by the long arm of history to flip everything over, they’re the direct force that anyone who’s doing any political action, or anyone who’s a victim of the government, they’re who they interface with. But is that because they’re intrinsically a problematic institution, or is that because they’re just the face, just the tool? I dunno. I find myself wondering that, in the face of, you know, so much evidence that the police is full of like, fucking morons.
Essentially, you can’t think an acorn is a bullet and get away with shooting at a detained and secured civilian. But, if another officer on scene thinks, even unreasonably so, that an acorn is a bullet and starts shooting at a detained and secured civilian, you can too. If this doesn’t make a lot of sense to you, take that as reassurance that your critical thinking remains, at least partially, intact.
IIRC Sympathetic Fire seems to be insta-forgiveness (by other police and the courts) whenever it comes up.
As one example, I think it played a role in the Daniel Shaver case, but it’s been a long time since I read all those details and I really don’t want to dive into that pool of anger and sadness again to verify.
Even if he wasn’t trying to kill Marquis Jackson, he clearly didn’t care if he killed him.
You don’t mag dump like that if you don’t care. He very much was trying to kill him.
You do if you’re an idiot and a coward.
Would just be an idiot and a coward trying to kill a man.
I am not saying he definitely wasn’t trying to kill Mr. Jackson intentionally. I’m saying that the other possibility is that he’s a stupid coward that empties his clip at his own car because he’s terrified and doesn’t think about and/or care that there’s a person in his car.
Was he intending to kill Mr. Jackson? Maybe. That’s definitely not an unlikely possibility. But I think stupid cowardice where the motive wasn’t murder is also not unlikely because cops are stupid cowards.
I deal with PTSD vets every day so I understand the snap buuuuut… No one else gets to get away with a slap on the wrist because of their mental illness so fuckem
I mean. Being in combat and being a cop are two different things.
Maybe this guy was in a shootout and has PTSD, maybe this is the only time he’s ever fired on duty and he’s just a coward who panicked.
During the course of the investigation into the shooting, deputy Herandez resigned from the force.
Oh wow. Good for him. I’m honestly surprised.
See I’m like, I don’t even think you could qualify most of the things you would do to this guy as being punishment. Preventing this guy from being a cop forever (pretty unlikely, but could happen), isn’t really a punishment. If he’s discharging his firearm into his own car, he’s obviously just unfit to be an officer and that’s a pretty clear safety concern. If you sent him to prison, that might be more of a “punishment”, but that’s also, you know, what cops do basically their whole careers, is send people to prison, and we still have all the same problems with the prison system as we’ve always had, so, you know, I’m like. I dunno. That doesn’t seem like a clear “win”, to me, both in terms of improving society and in terms of helping him out if he’s mentally ill which, you know, seems to clearly be the case, here.
You could also maybe think, hey, this guy goes to an asylum or something for mental illness, but that kind of has the same problems as sending someone to prison, it’s not usually a helpful system.
Yeah. The “having PTSD” part isn’t what should be punished, it’s the “and yet still carrying a gun while putting yourself in a position to have your PTSD triggered like this” part that’s egregious.
Well, Philip Brailsford, the murderer who murdered Daniel Shaver, claimed PTSD for murdering Daniel so he could draw on his pension and retire early. Because he murdered someone and it hurt his fee-fees.
Fuck that.
And most of us would still wait for an actual target in a built up area.
Keep in mind, this is Florida. It is perfectly legal to murder anybody if you can prove that you felt threatened.
Can we please stop pretending Twitter is a video hosting platform? It’s not, the links never work. When you only include Twitter video in the article it’s like not including the video at all.
Thank you
I mean it’s a website that hosts videos as part of the services it offers. And the video loads fine on mobile and desktop. I would check your network or browser settings. Unless it’s hosted by the actual article writer, hosting it somewhere is basically another social media.
What a very composed and calm individual that is perfectly suited for a job as a public servant.
I’m sorry, this is fucked up and I shouldn’t be laughing, but you really can’t make this shit up
What’s more, in his body cam footage you can clearly see the acorn fall into frame and strike the roof of his car. When asked if this was the sound he heard, Hernandez had this to tell investigators:
“I’m not gonna say no, because I mean that’s, but what I, [10 second pause in speaking] what I heard [3 second pause in speaking] sounded almost like [12 second pause in speaking] what I heard sounded what I think would be louder than an acorn hitting the roof of the car, but there’s obviously an acorn hitting the roof of the car.”
So has he been tested for drugs already?
Guy served two tours overseas.
I think it’s kinda fucked up to laugh at what clearly seems like a PTSD attack. He shouldn’t be a cop, and it’s a good thing he resigned, but you shouldn’t mock someone for this. Even if it’s super easy to.
“Man killed people for a living for years so we gave him a pistol and let him corral the civilians around!” Making fun of it and shaming this dumbass system is the only hope of it ever changing
And in order to shame the system, you shame the man?
Wise.
Yeah I know, taken out of context it’s really funny but it’s not when you consider the circumstances.
I hope he actually resigned and found a safer job instead of just being moved to another department and that the mental health checks for cops get better, but I’m not holding my breath for the second one.
Thanks for that. You really captured it
If US police is this incompetent, the only real solution is to take their guns away. It works in the UK.
And yes, there are more guns in general in the US, but that means that the police needs to be BETTER at deescalation than in the UK, not worse.
(Also: Obviously there are exceptions for specialized units in the UK, and the same would have to happen in the US, but your standard run-of-the-mill cop really doesn’t need more than pepper-spray and a stick.)
How about we also give them actual training? You know, basic 4 year training like in Europe, to become basic police officer, additional training to become more, and not the “6 months and here is your gun” as they do in the US?
Imo this is a key problem with police in the US. You’re meant to take something like this video, analyse it, grow from it and provide a better procedure/training in what to do in that sort of situation so that it is more safe for both police and the public in the future.
Instead you get “police tried to stop a robber by shooting into a crowded street, two civilians were killed and the robber only has slight injuries”. And the police response is “oh we have qualified immunity, this is actually whats meant to happen, we stopped the robber didn’t we etc etc etc” and nothing is learnt.
If you look into this story a little further, it turns out that there are a few things to consider.
One, this is actually the result of training. The man served two tours overseas, this is quite literally what he’s trained to do. Do you have any idea what a gunshot sounds like from far away? Because it’s not exactly a clear sound, and there are a shitload of different bullets (and gun barrels, compensators, silencers, sub sonic ammunition as an even further layer) to make different noise. When you’re used to being shot at from far away, yeah a sound like this actually does sound like you’re being shot at. I could also easily see someone mistaking it for a bullet landing near them.
He also describes experiencing a tingly sensation and thinking something was wrong with his left(? going from memory, lazy) side. It very much sounds like he had a PTSD attack.
Lastly, he resigned during the course of the investigation into the shooting. Not to mention, the investigation into him concluded that no he should not have unloaded his firearm after hearing an acorn hit the car.
Should he be a cop? Fuck no! He likely has undiagnosed PTSD and should be getting help, not putting himself into circumstances where he is much more likely to be shot at.
However this is not the result of incompetence. This man is a military veteran. He will likely be more proficient with firearms than you or I ever will be. You need to stop thinking of cops as pigs in tight bullet proof vests. This guy, and there are absolutely others like him, is not at all untrained.
He may have PTSD and he may have had 1,000 hours of firearms training, but if you empty your magazine the way he did, under the circumstances he did, you’re incompetent to be a police officer. Period.
And even he apparently recognizes that since he resigned (though whether he’ll just go get hired the next town over is probably a decent bet).
I’ll preface this saying that I own firearms and I spent 11 years in the military, I’ve had people shoot in my general direction, but I’ve bever been in a firefight.
Police and military operate in different environments that require different skillsets and different training. People expect, incorrectly, that police are there to protect citizens (this isn’t a rant about them protecting only the owner class…the judicial branch has upheld that police had no duty to protect). IF they had a duty to protect, they wouldn’t be allowed to open fire without a target in site and awareness of what was beyond that target and endangered when they miss that target.
Hearing a gunshot is not a valid excuse for randomly discharging your weapon.
I’m glad nobody was hurt, and I really hope the VA or some other organization is able to help this guy recover from his combat trauma. The department that hired him should have done better, and I hope they revisit their candidate screening policy…
This is the result of having minimal training and not having enough training to be competent.
His description of legs feeling weak and tingly are that of an adrenaline dump.
i.e officer has been trained in handling firearms but not “stress innoculated” he’s not been trained to respond properly in a stressful situation.
His firearm handling is also below an acceptable standard. He emptied his mag without so much as landing a single hit on the car and when he goes to reload fumbles numerous times, isn’t sure if he wants to reload or find cover and does both badly.
That too.
Take their guns away and give them acorns.
I mean fuck cops for sure but UKs gun laws are extremely strict for civilians I think you can only have antiques, even. In america there is guns everywhere. That kid you’re frisking and giving a hard time could have daddy’s pistol in his backpack. Its just a different environment in us
Perhaps you shouldn’t be giving him a hard time then? Perhaps you should politely ask to check him.
Every single time I’ve ever watched US cops deal with the situation they always seem to escalate it they get their guns out and start yelling immediately. I’ve seen situations where the suspect is being entirely cooperative and they’re still yelling. What are they trying to prove at that point?
Shut the hell up, calm down, and actually evaluate the situation.
What you’re asking for requires intelligence, which is actively selected against by most police departments in the US.
Dude I hate cops with a burning passion but yeah for sure you should just go into North St Louis or Southside Chicago and just be real nice to everyone. That’s gonna work.
This is what happens if way undertrained people are hired for police work. People who think with their guns.
I think they’re overtrained by fear based training like Killology. They’re afraid of everything. I guess we can now add acorns to the long list of things that justify astounding incompetence and willful endangerment of others.
Have you seen acorns? At any moment they can just spring into a giant tree, you turn your back for 300 years and, bam a tree.
Acorns beget acorns. Stop the cycle of acorn violence. Take em out before they sprout.
It’s also a product of the America the gun lobby has built.
This guy isn’t undertrained! He served two tours in Iraq. This is literally the result of training, not only training but training cemented by military service.
This guy likely has PTSD. Should not be a cop, but you’re dumb to think he’s untrained. Not only has he likely seen live combat, the guy will likely be more proficient with firearms at 80 than you are right now; if he lives that long.
Yup, the problem isn’t necessarily the total lack of training, but that the wrong training is happening, which could potentially be worse
Absolutely, as evidenced by this guy freaking out about an acorn as if it were a silenced rifle being shot at him.
This guy needs help, and should not be in a line of service that requires him to be in potentially dangerous situations. When your brain is wired to constantly evaluate threats you will create them.
He is undertrained in handling situations. He fired blindly without a single hint of what was going on.
Fuck the police, this dumb fuck idiot could have killed someone. Hell, he wanted to.
Hope the boot tastes good.
Hell, he wanted to.
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. Turns out before this happened there were talking about a silencer that they could not find, and this is what was running in the cops head before the acorn dropped on the roof lol.
Man, you’re really fucking stupid if you think antagonizing people like this is a good idea.
Why did he say “I’m hit”
Cops are trained to say that before shooting as a psychological trick to manipulate witnesses. Your brain doesn’t perfectly record the order of events in a situation like that, so to make sense of things you’re likely to misremember one or more of the gunshots being before the “I’m hit” rather than correctly remember that the cop shot first.
“It’s coming right for us!” -South Park hunting episode
Because he’s a hysterical fucking moron who believes himself to be some for of hero warrior.
He probably got it from South Park with the “its coming this way” defense for hunting out of season
This is Chewbacca, Chewbacca is a wookie…
but is a wookie a bear ?
First rule of the Chewbaca defense: you don’t elaborate upon invocation of the Chewbaca defense
THE ACORNS ARE COMIN’ RIGHT FER US!
Reading the article is hard.
… felt a “tingliness” all along the side of his body. He then said his “legs just give out” and he fell to the ground, assuming that he had been seriously injured by something.
My bad, just watched the vid on another thread and was asking here
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Sunshine laws…shit happens everywhere, Florida just isn’t embarrassed enough to keep it private.
OfficerandACORNare a dangerous aural combination to some folks
If you’re that scared you have no business being a cop. What a fucking idiot thinks he got shot too.
This is what happens when you spend your life fantasizing about how you’re a hero under constant attack.
To any who might doubt this: this us-vs-them hostile attitude against the public at large is exactly how they train members.
It even exists within Canada’s RCMP, FFS.
It’s literally what the “thin blue line” represents which all the police has swapped in place of “protect & serve”. And that’s ignoring the racist undertones.
Those were sweet rolls, though.
LOL it reminded me of those people who dress up in mismatched tactical gear.
Tbf The acorn sounded like a bag of Skittles
empties one full magazine on the car, not a single hit Would you like to enlist in the imperial army?
Dude should have applied to be a Stormtrooper. Would have fit right in, got to wear a snazzy set of white armor, black little pew-pew laser rifle, the works.
and he can create all the drama he wants and no one will say a thing “The rebel scums were shooting at me!”
Every story such as this contains at least one police lie. Even this one.
In his statement, Sheriff Aden said that the department was “limited in further response due to pending litigation.” Motherboard could not find court records related to the incident online and reached out to the Okaloosa County Courthouse, which confirmed it did not have any recent records related to either party. Motherboard reached out to the Okaloosa County Sheriff’s Office for clarification but has not received a response.
They are pieces of shit like that. That’s part of why you don’t ever talk to them without a lawyer
If a random loud bang from an acorn falling nearby is enough to get someone to behave like this, they really should not be walking around with a gun. This is completely insane and unhinged behavior.
theres no reason for most officers to be lethally armed their entire shift.
they are trained the exact opposite; be afraid of everything and empty the clip. ask questions later.
this cop behaved as he was trained
Fun fact: ‘police officer’ isn’t even in the top 10 most dangerous professions in the US. It’s solidly beat by things like garbage collector, delivery driver, maintenance worker, and pilot. None of those professions typically carry weapons on the job.
Lots of police officers were former bullies with an inferiority complex. Some are wusses who only feel powerful because they’re carrying a deadly weapon.
Another fun fact: police in several other western countries don’t carry deadly weapons and yet are able to do their jobs just fine.
American police are trained to think everything and everyone is against them, through programs like David Grossman’s Killology course. Weird how a program designed to teach recruits to kill without empathy would result in people killing without empathy.
Elsewhere, police are learning de-escalation tactics, but police in the US are learning escalation.
It’s absurd, and leads to scared, trigger-happy morons shooting at acorns.
e: missed a word
Everyone, stop what you are doing and check your local police department for this guy.
During the course of the investigation into the shooting, deputy Herandez resigned from the force.
He is out there somewhere, getting scared and shooting at his own car.
Yeah. Both he and his partner opened fire without a clear sight of a target.
The article said where he was firing, into his cars engine block. It does not mention where his partner, who was in the car, was aiming at.
I presume, the handcuffed person in the car was traumatized, but physically fine.
The cop was firing at the back of the car. His partner was interviewing the girlfriend of the suspect when she heard the shout of shots fired. She asked from where and the cop said from the car, she opened fire at the front of the car.
This is too funny until you know they buried a dozen squirrels
It sounds like they believed the shooter was their own engine so I’m going to assume all the local wildlife was fine. They did however eliminate the evil deceptagon.
It’s easy to shit on cops but I hope the guy is okay. It kinda sounded like he resigned after self-realizing how this is not an okay situation. He’s probably been in a handful of fucked up situations to be triggered like that tbh.
Either that or he’s actually retarded.
Why do you assume there’s trauma? He’s just reactingly exactly how he has been trained to react.
You don’t empty a whole clip like a schizo after hearing one shot lol. I think the protocol would have been to call back up or “I heard shots fired on main Street”
You’re right, it’s a bat shit insane response, but cops in the U.S. are trained to be afraid and react without thinking on a hair trigger. His reaction is unfortunately way too normalized.
I do hope he gets the treatment he needs. It is not normal behavior.
I also don’t want him with a gun near a school, mall, or any other place with lots of bystanders. Not until he has a good record of not overreacting.
Frank’s got donkey brains!
That cop was way to squirrelly for the job.
Nah, if he were squirrelly, he’d know exactly what an acorn falling would sound like…
That’s nuts
Thank you.
We as a society have really dropped the ball on the low IQ population among us. We need more options that don’t include giving them guns. We can give them badges if they want - and whatever quasi military rank they prefer without giving them the means to kill us.
You mean dropped the acorn…
Problem is, they would take guns away from us too as a compromise. Then they’d give the cops their guns back.
