• @schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business
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    399 months ago

    Isn’t he the same person who calls adblocking piracy?

    I mean I get that Youtubers have no morals and it’s all about money but that seems excessively hypocritical, even for a Youtube “personality”.

    • Max-P
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      Isn’t he the same person who calls adblocking piracy?

      He’s also got a generally nuanced opinion of piracy, in that it’s justifiable in some situations. If you call it piracy and you’re okay with piracy then it’s not really a contradiction.

      Being willing to talk about it despite working against your interests isn’t always bad depending on context.

      • @schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business
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        79 months ago

        I had the vague recollection of him having a small-business-owner-brain moment and going on about how it’s theft, and it’s taking money out of his pockets, or something along those lines.

        Looks like I may have been either thinking of someone else, or misinterpreted a snippet of video of him ranting about something.

        I will admit to not watching his stuff for a good number of years now, and could be totally conflating things.

        • @HarriPotero@lemmy.world
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          That was probably his stance when YouTube ad revenue was his stream of income.

          In 2024 they pay pennies, and his real income is from sponsorships like those d-brand skins and manscaping utilities. And their own merch, of course.

          They’ve been pushing their own media platform (floatplane), so I’m willing to bet this was a bit of a game of chicken with YouTube. YouTube wouldn’t ban one of their biggest channels, and even if they did it’d turn into great publicity for floatplane.

          While I don’t think they’d be able to get a lot of their subscribers over to floatplane completely, I do think they’d be able to pull over lots of random views by having their shorts on Facebook, Instagram and whoever else is trying to mimic tiktok these days.

        • @linearchaos@lemmy.world
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          19 months ago

          They’ve been pretty good about playing both sides. There have been plenty of videos of how to bypass add traffic and in the same video explaining how they rely on ad traffic . I don’t love everything LMG does but they do seem to be kind of Open about the house wise and why nots of ad blocking.

      • @dustyData@lemmy.world
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        He directly called it bad because it hurt his revenue stream. He is ok with ad blocking as long as it isn’t being done to him. That’s pretty bold if you ask me. A double standard, quite the opposite of nuance. He equated it with entering a cirque due soleil show without paying a ticket, which is a false equivalence. He thinks that he is entitled to have his ads seen as a price of admittance to watching his videos. No one is entitled to have their ads watched.

        • @InternetUser2012@lemmy.today
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          The way I see it is if I’m forced to watch ads when watching something, I won’t watch it. In that case, no ad revenue for you because I’m not watching your shit. Now, If I watch it with no ads, you get the same result, BUT I might tell someone to watch your shit or buy some merch. That person I told to watch it might watch your ads and that person would not have watched you without me telling them to. You’re up 1 revenue.

          The corporate greed is out of control. The amount of bullshit ads and tracking is insane. I’m blown away by the people that defend this shit.

          • @0xD@infosec.pub
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            You’re just justifying your actions. YouTube is not free to run, and the content there is not free to create. You’re a parasite.

            Don’t worry, I’m as well - but be honest about it. What you’re doing, and many other gigabrains here, is just pathetic. There is a lot of corporate greed in this world, but this ain’t it.

        • @dev_null@lemmy.ml
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          Source on “he’s ok with ad blocking as long as it’s not done to him”? Doesn’t sound like something he’d say.

    • @TheDarksteel94@sopuli.xyz
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      239 months ago

      Isn’t that essentially what it is? Getting something for free through certain means you wouldn’t get for free otherwise? Which means no money goes to whoever owns the service you’re using?

      • @Tja@programming.dev
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        89 months ago

        Exactly. Getting media without paying (either in currency or in data for ads). Which they also address and talk about plex and jellyfin to consume the newly “liberated” media. I find his opinion on this quite fair.

        • @dustyData@lemmy.world
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          09 months ago

          Piracy is distributing media you don’t own. How does blocking ads equates with acquisition and distribution of media you don’t own? It doesn’t.

          Evading advertisement is not piracy.

          • Chozo
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            Piracy refers to the taking, not the giving.

          • Kushan
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            Pirates didn’t sail the seven seas heading out gold to others.

      • TimeSquirrel
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        Say you walk up to some person giving out free samples of food. As a condition of taking this free sample, you also must take a pamphlet of advertisements from the people who are giving you the free sample. You take your free sample, and then walk away while dropping the pamphlet in the nearest trash can. That’s essentially what ad blocking is. You’re simply preventing certain parts of a web page from being downloaded to your device. That’s why people have issues with the “piracy” label, because nothing is being “stolen”. You’re just refusing to take all of it.

        • @ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee
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          39 months ago

          More accurate comparison would be taking the sample but refusing the pamphlet. Dropping it in the nearest bin would be skipping the ad after 5 seconds.

        • Aatube
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          No, that’s not what ad blocking is. You just described viewing a traditional “1 banner at the bottom/top” ad. There’s a snowball’s chance in hell that you actually check out/click on the ad after seeing it; you throw it away after seeing it. On the off chance you’re intrigued by the ad, you take it home.

          That’s not what ad blocking is. There’s no suitable metaphor for ad blocking IRL, but it’d most nearly be raiding the nearest available ad pamphlet warehouse or interrupting the guy who gets the pamphlets to the foodgiver. Sure, the difference is that nobody gets the ads anymore, but that’s not a bad thing for you, is it? The foodgiver gets no ad revenue for now until delivery is re-established.

        • @TheDarksteel94@sopuli.xyz
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          The thing being stolen is the advertisers ability to advertise, which in turn pays for the platform. So, it is stealing from the platform.

          Also, if you take a quick look at the pamphlet and throw it away, that’s the same thing as looking at an ad and ignoring it afterwards. You were still looking at it, so the ad did its job.

          Btw, don’t get me wrong, I also use ad blockers for a lot of things. But I do pay for anything that I use for a good amount of time, like Youtube, video games, movies or music.

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            Nope, you’re not taking anything away from the advertiser. They are free to display but they’re not entitled to being watched. You don’t get penalized for ignoring or closing your eyes during trailers at the cinema. But that is exactly what arguing against ad blockers is. The entitlement of advertisers to your attention. This fundamentally breaks the social contract of ads. Imagine corporations arguing that municipal anti-billboard laws are theft

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            Does that make me a pirate if I go to the bathroom during commercial breaks? If I get to a theater late and miss the commercials, am I a pirate?

    • Canadian_Cabinet
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      LTT always seemed “slimy” to me, especially after the whole mistreatment allegations ordeal

      • @blackluster117@possumpat.io
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        Yeah, ever since all that stuff came out just before the new CEO took over, including the video/audio of the sexual harassment meeting which was treated as a total joke, I unsubscribed and stopped viewing their content. I couldn’t reconcile their fun and approachable/friendly image with how they’re treating staff. Moved on to watching more from other creators like Jayztwocents. Unfortunate that people keep turning out to be shitty left and right.

        • @Dagnet@lemmy.world
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          29 months ago

          All I want is a tech youtuber that doesnt do clickbait, currently I only know hardware unboxed

      • dinckel
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        I find what happened, and their response to everything, completely unacceptable.

        But even if you forget that entirely, i decided to see if anything has changed after a year, and the quality of videos is genuinely shocking. A production studio of such scale makes videos, that your typical 14 year old would find embarrassing. The attitude towards everything, and the overwhelming fake energy, are both very repulsive

    • Aatube
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      Calling it piracy doesn’t mean you think it’s the worst thing in the world. I do it unless I like a service, and c’mon, it is piracy.

    • Communist
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      He’s right that it’s piracy, he doesn’t go on to say piracy is wrong, and neither would I.

      It’s piracy to block ads, and piracy isn’t always wrong, so who cares?

        • Communist
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          19 months ago

          No, i’m explicitly not, those aren’t tracked and nobody gets paid based on whether or not you fastforward. That makes it not piracy. The content creator gets paid.

        • Communist
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          19 months ago

          No, the ads on the DVD you bought have already paid the company that made the DVD.

          You skipping those ads has no consequences for anyone, and nobody cares if you skip them.

    • @Prandom_returns@lemm.ee
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      Youtubers have no morals? What kind of idiotic generalisation is that?

      BTW, adblocking is a form piracy, that I’m completely fine with.

    • redfellow
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      19 months ago

      But it is? Don’t lie to yourself. We all do it but it’s still piracy, and it’s okay.

  • @Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world
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    79 months ago

    I don’t see any mention of the YouTube adblock trick, so from the vid:

    Copy YouTube URL. Paste it in Bing and search. Scroll passed Bing’s sponsored bullshit and click on the thumbnail for the video you searched. It will then play, still in Bing, with no ads.

    So if you’re on a work or government or w/e computer that doesn’t allow installing adblock extensions, there ya go. No downloads or anything, just YouTube and Bing.

     

    …this is the first time I’ve ever had any interest in using Bing, lol.

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        19 months ago

        Even Luke, who I always agreed with the most and seemed the most level-headed has talked about their hiring process and said that, if you don’t have personal projects, it’s highly unlikely that you’ll be considered for a position in LTT.

        Supposedly it’s because that shows a “lack of passion”. Personally, I find that rather toxic. Like, dude, I do this for work and I also have a life. I literally do not have enough time to exercise, take care of my loved ones and also maintain personal projects.

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          I don’t see the problem… having side projects will improve your chances at MANY jobs, and even applying for university if they’re related to your field. Even if you have no time at all, if you’re genuinely passionate about technology, I’d expect you to at least have aspirational goals for things on the side. A side project does not have to be finished or maintained to show “passion”.

          The entertainment company doesn’t want to hire boring 9-5 drones just in it for the paycheck. Big surprise. They’re allowed to be selective.

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              I think you’re completely misunderstanding what I’m trying to say. The hobbies ARE the side projects. They don’t have to be the same as your job.

              • @potustheplant@feddit.nl
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                But it’s still sitting in front of a computer programming. I do that but not that often. I’m already programming 8-9 hours a day. My interests go way beyond that.

                • @xthexder@l.sw0.com
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                  I have not once said anything about programming in this discussion. The side project could be knitting for all I care. I specifically said it’s not important if the side projects are directly related to your job.

        • @veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world
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          Well, don’t think their IT positions are competitive when it comes to salaries, compared to major tech companies. Also considering their offices are in Vancouver, you probably aren’t going to work their to make bank.

          It’s a bit of a selection bias out of necessity…

    • @CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world
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      09 months ago

      I’ll be that guy. I don’t understand why LTT gets so much crap from people constantly, they seem to have a very toxic community even without the scandals. But in regards to the more recent scandal, I really think a lot of those things are fixable and I’ll be watching to see if they fix them.

      As far as the sexual harassment stuff goes I can see that as a legitimate reason to stop watching. At the same time though, how should we feel with such limited and one sided information? And especially how should I feel if the problems aren’t inherent to the company and if they don’t reoccur?

      Maybe someone can help clear this up for me because I’m not that informed and I’m still giving them a chance but maybe I shouldn’t be.

      • @CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world
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        I don’t understand why LTT gets so much crap from people

        Because their clowns. Literally. Their content is pure tech entertainment with constant immature humour and little substance. The way they present themselves is like a group of teenagers messing around.

        Then there’s their “expertise”. They don’t know tech beyond a Windows “power user”.

        But in regards to the more recent scandal, I really think a lot of those things are fixable and I’ll be watching to see if they fix them.

        Linus showed his true colours during the Billet Labs incident. He doubled down hard, and I’m convinced that even today Linus feels like he did nothing wrong. They have zero reputation to salvage, IMO.

        • @CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world
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          Yeah this is what I mean. I don’t get why people who don’t like their content bother hating them. You don’t like that they mostly exist for entertainment, cool, why bother caring? If you want deep tech dives or something else, there’s plenty of content out there. You’re upset they aren’t more knowledgeable as if everyone making tech content needs to know everything.

          And yeah I did feel like they messed up with the Billet incident and it was one of the more important things they needed to address properly. They made a mistake and I do think that Linus handled it poorly to say the least. They deserved that part of the scandal. All I’ll say is I’m willing to wait and see if they improve or if they make similar mistakes. If that’s a big deal to you, I get that, but that’s not where a majority of the hate is coming from either. It’s coming from what I said before about tech people wanting different content

          • @CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world
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            I don’t get why people who don’t like their content bother hating them.

            Because for good or bad, they have a significant influence in the tech world. And since they are more bad, people don’t like them.

            Take the Linux challenge, for example. They massively misrepresented the usability of Linux for the average person and for gamers. They even concluded at the end of their challenge that Linux was unsuitable for most gamers. And the release and success of the Steam Deck shortly afterwards was quite delicious.

            Then there was the bit where Linus didn’t read the warning about the package manager removing the desktop environment and just hit yes, then complained that it wasn’t his fault and that the system was poorly designed.

            The guy literally has an issue with accountability.

            You’re upset they aren’t more knowledgeable as if everyone making tech content needs to know everything.

            A better statement is that I’m upset because they preach their deep and unchallengeable knowledge and act as a be-all end-all authority in tech.

            But really I’m not “upset” by them. I just really dislike them and think they’re insufferable.

            And I don’t watch LTT. And there are plenty of other, and objectively better, channels about tech. And I watch those better channels, including GamersNexus.

            All I’ll say is I’m willing to wait and see if they improve or if they make similar mistakes.

            Their entire channel is a giant mistake. All of their content is garbage by virtue of their proven flawed and subpar provides. A process they admitted was flawed, and from what I’ve seen is still flawed with the garbage corrections in the comments nonsense they promised to fix.

            They’re just going to go about business as usual and just be a little more careful with their public image. They don’t deserve the views they get.

        • @tuxed@sh.itjust.works
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          19 months ago

          Feels like I remember that one getting pretty good proof Linus didn’t do anything, but could be wrong

          • @2pt_perversion@lemmy.world
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            Linus wasn’t accused of sexually harassing anyone. His company was accused of being a hostile work environment with sexual harassment by a former worker, but the accusations weren’t against Linus himself. LTT hired a 3rd party law firm to investigate - LTT said the law firm basically said there wasn’t legal liability based on the documentation they could find and LTT used that to absolve themselves and threaten to sue the accuser if she said anything else.

            But this was an LTT hired lawfirm and LTT themselves reporting on what the report said - and since it’s confidential you kind of just have to take their word that they’re accurately reporting the findings. Further there were initially some corroborators of Madison’s story who retracted and apologized quickly (assumingly after being threatened with legal action - Aprime is the example). Besides that a lot of the accusations were things that happened in person that wouldn’t necessarily leave a digital trail so it’s possible even if the 3rd party investigation was completely unbiased that everything Madison said was still true.

            In the end believe what you want but it seems slimy enough that I stopped watching.

            • @tuxed@sh.itjust.works
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              Yeah you’re correct on the accusations, I should have clarified.

              But with that approach it doesn’t sound like there is anything an organization could do against false accusations that would absolve them of wrongdoing. I’m all for bashing corrupt/horrible companies, but it feels like there should be at least some presumption of innocence unless there is any kind of proof. Painting all accused with the same brush just leads to devaluing the brush IMO. But like you said, people may (and will) believe what they want, and people are under no obligation to watch or support any creator unless they want to. In my case I just haven’t seen any proof of wrongdoing (in this case, gamersnexus controversy was worse IMO).

              What do you think a company should do in that situation, assuming it is being falsely accused? What would a “perfect” response be? I cant think of a much better one than what LTT did, given their circumstances, but would love to hear what a better response would look like.

              • @JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works
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                The only thing they could have done better was have the third party release the report. I don’t think they released it yet, but they had intended to at one point. Maybe the lawyers told them they shouldn’t?

                • @tuxed@sh.itjust.works
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                  Hm, not sure that would be legal even? Considering it likely contained information on different employees etc. But yeah, if possible it would have been nice to see.

            • @anlumo@lemmy.world
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              One of the major accusations was that they asked too much of Madison for a single person to accomplish, and fired her over not meeting their expectations. While this is not great, it’s not legally problematic.

            • @mbtrhcs@feddit.org
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              Not to mention the law firm they hired advertises anti-union action, so that should tell you whether they can be trusted to be fair to workers…

          • @CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world
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            People can say nothing was done but the only info you’re going to get is going to be from the accusers. The company isn’t going to speak publicly about it and so we won’t ever know what their views are or what proof they have.

            • @tuxed@sh.itjust.works
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              They hired an external firm to investigate themselves and they found nothing, while the accuser had zero proof. There is plenty of things to accuse them for, the gamers nexus thing for one, but I’m a bit annoyed about false accusations sticking so hard when there is little reason to believe it. If anything it makes people less likely to believe actual victims.

              • @CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world
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                This was my impression. All of their scandals they’ve taken extremely seriously(it appears), done the work to fix and improve, and a lot of their issues seem to be results of fast scaling and organizational level problems that can be fixed.They haven’t just swept things under the rug where they’re able to be transparent. I just think the problem is what Luke has always said: When you open a company up to transparency, you gain criticism, and then the company has large incentives to shut down that transparency because all you use it for is to cause them problems.

                Aside from that, the LTT community and outsiders seem very toxic toward them.

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      -29 months ago

      Thanks for sharing? Why is every Lemmy single comment section filled with unrelated iamverysmart comments.

  • MobileDecay
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    39 months ago

    I bet they removed it faster than a porn video on YouTube Kids! 😲

    • Aatube
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      Works for me, and the post was edited before your comment.

  • @dustyData@lemmy.world
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    Friendly reminder that pirates didn’t usually stole gold. Piracy was stealing shipping goods, then selling them for profit at some port. Digital piracy is thus defined as acquiring, and then distributing for profit, media that you don’t own the copyrights of. Ad blocking is categorically not piracy.

    • @merc@sh.itjust.works
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      Also, “piracy” or “copyright infringement” isn’t theft in any sense.

      A key element of theft is that you deprive the rightful owner of something. You now have it and they no longer do. What makes it wrong is that the person who should have it no longer does. It’s not that you have it. That’s why the punishment for “mischief” where someone completely destroys something belonging to someone else is similar to the punishment for the theft of that same object.

      Copyright infringement is breaking the rule that the state imposed giving someone the exclusive right to control the copying of something. You’re not depriving anyone of anything tangible when you infringe a copyright. They still have the original, they still have any copies they made, any copies they gave out or sold are still where they were. The only thing you’re doing is violating the rule that gave them exclusive control. If you’re depriving someone of anything, it’s depriving them of the opportunity they might have had to make money from selling a copy.

      If anything, copyright infringement is more similar to trespassing than to theft. Just like copyright infringement, trespassing involves not allowing someone to control who accesses their property. If you sneak onto someone’s campground property and have a bonfire party, the person loses the opportunity to rent out the campground for the bonfire, and any money they might have received for doing that. But, if you sneak in and sneak out and leave no trace, you could argue that nobody is harmed.

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        Of you didn’t watch the full video, which is fair enough, it’s a point Linus makes which the comment refers to. So Linus is either newborn or braindead? I mean ok maybe. 🗿

        I’m downvoted for pointing out what Linus said in the video, why exactly?

        • @dustyData@lemmy.world
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          You have watched his videos, he is not the brightest bulb in the shed. Even on technical topics he sometimes spouts really awful things. Remember when he accidentally made racists remarks because he got confused about the meaning of the words he was using?

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              Here, not only did he admit he used to call people the R word, which, nice of him to not do that anymore, but so uncool to have done it in the first place. He also didn’t knew that Hard R refers to a racist slur. Which tells you the kind of background and mind space he comes from. Again, good of him to want to do better, but he has a lot to of catch up to do.

              • @can@sh.itjust.works
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                Alright, that clip was funny but he said he used the R word, not that he called people it. And it wasn’t an uncommon word at all twenty years ago. There are better points to make.

                • @dustyData@lemmy.world
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                  It’s OK. I also used to use the N word. I didn’t call anyone it, I just used it. It wasn’t racist, I don’t use the word anymore, but I never called anyone that.

                  /s

    • @Gingernate@programming.dev
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      Closing your eyes, walking out of the room, changing the channel during the commercial break, all piracy. Hahahahahhahaha. Fuck these corporations

    • Aatube
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      I heard the legends of the Chinese anthem being at PornHub and took a look a while ago. It turns out that they’ve removed all videos from unverified users and blocked them from uploading.

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    Ironically, watching this video on Osysee results in me consuming more ads that help LTT than usual, because I don’t have SponsorBlock set up for that.

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    Funny, considering in the past he’s gone on big rants about how adblocking is no different from piracy, and is theft.

    But then again, its Linus we’re talking about, its not like he has a particularly big issue with theft anymore.

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      I think he mentioned that ad-blocking is priacy, but I don’t recall he said piracy is theft or piracy is inheritly unethical.

      He mentioned many time that he pirates stuff, except he would pay for them first.

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      I don’t understand why people are all pro-piracy but then get offended when someone accuses them of piracy…

      He never went on any “big rants”. He’s mentioned it a few times, and he’s right. You’re bypassing payment (in the form of watching ads) to watch the video. LTT doesn’t really care because AdSense only makes up a small portion of their income, which is why he’s shown many different times, many different ways to block/bypass advertising. I could make an argument about how he’s “pulling up the ladder behind him” but I digress.

      Regardless “piracy” is a fairly convoluted term with no concrete definition and it’s a dumb argument for anyone to have.

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        This is correct, he both explained how ad blocking hurts creators, and how ultimately he doesn’t mind because purchasing merch is way more beneficial to them then the adsense money.

        All he was saying is do what you want to do but don’t pretend your actions don’t impact other people. Do it with open eyes if you’re going to do it.

      • @A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world
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        You’re bypassing payment (in the form of watching ads)

        By this argument going to the bathroom during a commercial break is piracy.

        This isnt “someone being offended when accused of piracy”

        This is " People getting upset when an idiot tries to blame end users, instead of holding the people who created the problem accountable"

        Cause adblock isnt a user problem.

        Its an ad service problem. They created a hostile environment where people had to run adblockers to protect themselves against unmoderated and unpoliced content and malicious/infected advertising.

        If you have issues, blame the people who caused it, not the end users trying to protect themselves.

        • @helenslunch@feddit.nl
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          By this argument going to the bathroom during a commercial break is piracy.

          Only you didn’t go to the bathroom. The ad just never appeared.

          Chances of you getting up and leaving the room every time an ad comes on: 10%.

          Chances of you blocking an ad with an ad-blocker: 100%.

          This isnt “someone being offended when accused of piracy”

          I think it very clearly is.

          This is " People getting upset when an idiot tries to blame end users, instead of holding the people who created the problem accountable"

          Whether it is piracy or not has nothing to do with blame or responsibility. You’re still just taking personal offense to being called a pirate and conjuring up nonsense arguments to combat it.

    • @Kbobabob@lemmy.world
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      Do you have a source? I’ve watched his videos for awhile but I don’t remember hearing this take from him.

      • @TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee
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        No, because that isn’t Linus’s take.

        I think he’s referencing a stream once upon a time where Linus discussed the arguments around streaming and it’s impact on creators, from a creator’s perspective .

        But because he uttered something in favor of ads on his videos-which is how they got paid-he’s now considered ultra pro invasive ads by the user above, who professes to not actually watching Linus

            • @AstralPath@lemmy.ca
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              I’d argue this as well. I see it in a similar way. Linus is obviously not trying to sit on some high horse and condemn piracy, he’s just calling a spade a spade.

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            I really don’t get the hate he got for that take.

            Circumventing the method of payment could be argued as being a form of piracy. From that point of view, adblock is piracy.

            Like them or not, YouTube is not a charity and requires the serving of ads to continue funding the service. You could argue about how they go about it, but it’s a fact they need some sort of income to continue to exist.
            Same goes for YouTubers. They get a percentage of that ad revenue. And they also need some form of income.

            But just because he said so doesn’t mean he doesn’t understand why adblock is used. He didn’t say “don’t use adblock.” He’s shown how to use adblock before and since. He’s also mentioned that buying something from their webshop gives them a lot more money than turning off adblock.

            Saying “watching movies for free is pirating” isn’t the same as saying “you shouldn’t pirate movies”.
            Using adblock isn’t engaging with YouTube on YouTube’s terms.

            • @A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world
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              Adblocking isnt piracy, from any point of view.

              Its protection. Protection from sudden loud noises and visual diarrhea. Protection from malware and viruses from random website ads, and protection from Right Wing Extremist Propaganda like PragerU videos detailing how the black man should be grateful for the history of slavery and oppression (which has had a documented, factual effect on driving people into right wing extremist behavior, and the violent rhetoric and actions that inevitably follow)

              As long as all of that exists, Adblocking will never be piracy. Adblocking is, and will be, mandatory protection.

              And if Linus, or anyone else, wants to clutch pearls and cry about adblocking… They can take their complaints to Google/Facebook/Other Ad services, because their lack of moderation and inability to policing content on their services are directly responsible for creating the necessity for adblocking.

              • tb_
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                Its protection.

                From your point of view, yeah. Not from the point of view of the creator and the platform.

                Linus isn’t clutching his pearls nor is he crying, he’s just pointing out you are circumventing the method of payment to the platform. It is detrimental to both the platform and the creator. That is a fact. Your choice has an impact and you should be aware of that.
                But at no point did he say “you’re a bad person if you use adblock”.

                What has got you so worried?

              • @papertowels@lemmy.one
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                To tack onto your list, ad blocking also deprives a source from an intended revenue stream associated with the content, which is probably why it’s being compared to piracy.

                I’m all on board with ad blockers, let’s just at least acknowledge the economic reality surrounding their use.

                • @A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world
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                  The economic reality is that I have to use adblocking because ad services refuse to police and moderate their system. Thats the economic reality that they created.

                  Having a problem with the end user protecting themselves from what the advertisers and their ad services created is just trying to shift blame.

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    Am leaving this site soon am done with google and youtube (Yt frontends and odysee)

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