New evidence confirms COVID-19 vaccines are overwhelmingly safe::More than 38 million COVID-19 vaccine doses have been administered in Ontario as of Oct. 8, with 23,002 reports of adverse reactions, an incidence of 0.06 per cent, Public Health Ontario says
Also, old evidence confirms it.
I guess whatever it takes to convince the skeptics. Though I figure nothing will convince them once they’ve made up their mind.
I don’t like calling them “skeptics,” because what they really are is super-gullible with regards to conspiracy theories.
“Science deniers” is a better description.
Step 1. Ask what someone thinks about vaccinations Step 2. Ask them what they think about evolution Step 3. Ask about climate change Step 4. Ask about what church they go to
You will learn so much of this overlaps. So much.
Flat earth. Crystals. Cupping.
Anything to avoid the reality that we’re fucking up society and the planet in favour of ‘we can fix it with woo’ or ‘it’s preordained that we’re all gonna die in god’s wrath-fire’. Neither will lift a finger to fix things.
Nobody wants to live in reality because it’s scary.
“I don’t know… those first fifty studies of vaccine safety didn’t sway me. Maybe 51 will”
Cannot use logic to convince someone whose argument isn’t logical in the first place
I’ve always preferred it phrased as “You can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into,” but same energy.
I always preferred the Mark Twain quote, “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” Because I’ve been beaten bloody with that experience on more than one occasion.
Okay, if you say so, because I died six months after getting the first one like they said I would. Now I’m a magnetic 5G zombie.
What brand of vaccine did you get? I definitely get the 5G orders from George Soros and such (pretty standard stuff), and I was already dead inside before the jab, but I didn’t get any magnetism.
I got whichever one is most convenient to me winning the discussion about how vaccines are bad and give you 100 autisms.
Wait, only 100?
That’s not enough for savant powers!
Better get extra.
How’s your reception?
Being a zombie, I no longer need a phone. But my Bill Gates microchip ensures good reception for all around me whose brains I am not eating.
You’re very articulate for a zombie
Should have turned your phone off during the national alert test.
Amazing what all the efficacy and safety studies said before is still true. It was true before, but now it’s also true.
They’re not safe. They’re 0.06% harmful. That number is probably a lie too, in reality with all the cover ups and bad incentives the number could be as high as 0.1% harmful, that means 40% of cases were covered up or hidden by nurses and doctors who actively went against their hippocratic oath and did something malicious and counter effective to their job. And they don’t even clearly define what harmful is. How many of those 0.1% had mild head aches or nausea? Everyone is stupid but me.
/s
But in all seriousness I’m not sure if it’s better to admit that it’s not 100% safe because a lot of people think they will be the unlucky one out of 1000 to get a headache or a mild rash or the 1 out of 100000 that has something more severe. People who are generally anti vax have a hard time grasping these numbers and also seem to be completely wilfully blind to the increased danger from getting actual Covid. They think they’ll be fine and either won’t get it or it won’t be bad yet at the same time think they’ll be the unlucky one to get sick from the vaccine
I usually tell people that it’s safer than birth control. 1 in 1000 women experience sever complications from birth control, and we hand that stuff put like candy.
So true. Sadly it’s often those same types of people against vaccines who are against birth control as well.
There was a 50/50 split in the US Senate when the vaccine came out. Every member of that group was vaccinated. They were the first members of the population to be vaccinated. If any of the ancient senators had died, the balance of power would have shifted in a huge way.
Now there’s a great premise for a sci-fi, like something Dick would write
You mean ALL the republicans were lying this whole time? I am shocked! SHOCKED I say.
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Can’t get voted out if nobody’s left to vote. taps forehead
Where’s that guy that turned into a Newt?
He got better.
Tom Paris?
Just don’t drive really fast afterwards and you’ll be fine.
I’m right here. It’s not as bad as you would think.
He got better
I don’t know about you guys but I absolutely love the $5000 that is deposited onto my microchip every month! Helps so much with bills! Thanks Obama!
I’m digging that my 5g service gets upgraded every new dose 😎
What’s even the point? More evidence isn’t going to change anyone’s mind.
That’s how the scientific community works. Test and retest the theory. Unexciting results are still valuable to lend more credence to the established scientific understanding.
Also, more practically, recent studies are good ammo for disputes with nutter friends and family who still form their entire distrust on an article based on an intentionally bad take on a studys results from early on in the pandemic.
I hope that works for you, I’ve personally given up on them. They are welcome to make their decisions and we avoid the topic since we don’t agree.
Yeah, I have lost causes for sure. I do have a couple more reasonable conservative friends that took a dose or two and stopped, so this is the kind of thing that might not fall on deaf ears
As long as there’s any evidence supporting their argument, confirmation bias will make it impossible to change an antivaxxer’s mind without un-indoctrinating them. The best most of us can hope for is preventing anyone else from falling down the rabbit hole.
This is just what goes on in medicine science when things are operating properly. Test, collect data, run experiments, do it again, do it again, then, after the short term use has been proven safe 30 different times, by 100’s of research groups, you start researching the long term affects of it.
Totally not true, there’s …. Stuff. Dammit, the only thing I came up with to annoy the person giving me the shot was a one liner about improved 5G reception. And I used it twice: so cringey. Where are all the conspiracy nuts when you need them?
I asked for strawberry flavour
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well I can’t speak for “they” but the argument I heard the most was, not being forced to take a medical procedure, it’s actually very simple.
I took the Covid shoot, twice BTW
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you should first understand the conservatives argument, I used to be ignorant just like yourself, I stopped talking and started listening, you should try it
And… What is the conservative argument? That we shouldn’t have to submit to something as unremarkable as a vaccine, even for the sake of the safety of our fellow citizens?
Does that thought also apply to the draft? Should I have to defend my fellow countrymen if we are attacked? What if I don’t believe defending my country would benefit me personally?
The reason people like you talk in smug platitudes is because there is no consistency in your ideology. You just mouth off generalities and then insults when pressed about the massive amounts of cognitive dissonance you point of view rest upon.
I stopped talking and started listening
Lol, this is your version of “stopped talking”? How about you go ahead and practice that aspect just a little harder?
New evidence?
“Additional” evidence may have been a better word here. There is a ton of evidence of its safety. For so rarely causing complications compared to pretty much any other type of medical intervention, vaccines do get an insane amount of scrutiny to try and satisfy public phobias.
Because its proactive, not reactive.
Proactive care that works looks like it did nothing. Ape brain no understand event that no see happen.
That’s probably one reason. There’s just something about vaccines that makes people unreasonably paranoid though. I once saw a person about to get an infusion of a pretty dangerous immuno suppressing drug. They had a bad disease, it was worth the risks. They didn’t seem all that concerned though. Before the infusion could happen there was a requirement to get a few vaccines. You know, to help prevent getting seriously ill while you’re immuno suppressed. The vaccines won’t work after the infusion, only before. Person fought their doctors for months refusing any vaccines before finally giving in, getting the vaccines, and finally getting the drug they need.
One of the biggest medical interventions for COVID was intubation. Having experienced unilateral vocal cord paralysis after being intubated for surgery and days after due to complications of the procedure - you really want to avoid it if possible. It took surgery and 18 months for me to speak normally again.
I’ll take feeling crummy for a few days with low risk of actual harm to avoid that happening again.
I was intubated for short periods after some major surgeries and I don’t wish it on anyone, thankfully I didn’t have any issues after the fact like you did.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Previous research has shown the vast majority of cases are mild, patients recover quickly and risks can be averted by extending the time between doses.
That report provides extensive details about the serious cases, which included people who required a hospital admission or died, making it clear the vaccine was likely not the cause.
At the same time, a new study published by Canadian researchers found that babies whose mothers had been vaccinated against COVID-19 during pregnancy were less likely to experience serious health complications, be admitted to the neonatal intensive care unit or die.
The study, published this week in the journal JAMA Pediatrics, looked at data from more than 142,000 births in Ontario and followed infants for six months to determine their outcomes.
Sarah Jorgensen, one of the study’s authors, said the findings should provide reassurance to pregnant women that the vaccines are safe and can help protect their babies.
“Pregnant women and really young infants in the first couple of months, they’re also high-risk,” said Ms. Jorgensen, who is a pharmacist and a PhD candidate in the Temerty Faculty of Medicine’s Institute for Medical Science at the University of Toronto.
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